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TevashSzat 12:50 04-25-2007

I did not bandwagon at every time. I voted no lynch at first merely because I did not know that there wasn't a time limit and that we needed a majority of the people to lynch. I bandwagoned with warmaster since Sasaki said that bandwagoning was actually encouraged except for the last two votes.

Think of it, if we call bandwagoning at everyone who is a second voter, how are we gonna get the majority of the voters?

Since you guys are accusing me of bandwagoning, I'll Unvote, Vote:sapi again for bandwagoning and being a hypocrite

ByzantineKnight 13:00 04-25-2007

Originally Posted by Xdeathfire:
I bandwagoned with warmaster since Sasaki said that bandwagoning was actually encouraged except for the last two votes.

Havn't you been playing long enough to know not to trust Sasaki?? (unless he tells us to lynch someone)

TevashSzat 13:08 04-25-2007

But Sasaki was telling us to lynch Warmaster so we according to you should have all voted and lynched him.

Stig 13:12 04-25-2007

Playing mafia rule #1:
Never trust Sasaki

Warmaster Horus 13:28 04-25-2007

Vote count, because pever requested it:

sapi: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Xdeathfire: 2 (sapi, Byzantineknight)
WH: 1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki: 1 (Ichigo)
No lynch: 1 (greaterkhaan)
Ichigo: 1 (Stig)

Although I think this list is incorrect. Please check.

ByzantineKnight 15:19 04-25-2007

Originally Posted by Xdeathfire:
But Sasaki was telling us to lynch Warmaster so we according to you should have all voted and lynched him.

Usually he has good hunches, while he has a valid point, I think that you are a better lynch candidate.

Sasaki Kojiro 18:10 04-25-2007

Vote:Xdeathfire

Don't put the blame on me. Are you saying you voted Warmaster not because you agreed with my logic on bandwagoning but because you thought the fact that I was encouraging it meant you could get away with it?

fos:sapi be serious.

btw we do need to bandwagon my previous post was correct.

Csargo 19:43 04-25-2007

Unvote:, Vote:khaan

Bah no lynch.

sapi 07:59 04-26-2007

Originally Posted by :
fos:sapi be serious.

Sasaki, I really don't like the randomness of the first round - we're bound to get a townie, or at least that's what my past games have shown - so I won't take anything seriously until we have something to go on.

That said, Unvote; Vote: khaan, as a no lynch simply doesn't help (and Xdeathfire doesn't strike me as guilty, just stupid)

Stig 08:10 04-26-2007

Originally Posted by :
Sasaki, I really don't like the randomness of the first round - we're bound to get a townie, or at least that's what my past games have shown - so I won't take anything seriously until we have something to go on.

Well we now need 7 votes, so some people will have to bandwagon as otherwise you never get there.

CountArach 08:21 04-26-2007

XDeathFire’s Posts
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...3&postcount=38

Originally Posted by :
Vote: No lynch

Nothing has happened yet, there is nothing that we could really use to lynch someone

As Sasaki said the post after, No Lynch doesn’t help us. At this point he didn’t know it was going to be timeless, so he can’t use that defence here. I think that he may just be scum trying to not incriminate himself by voting for an innocent.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...5&postcount=52

Originally Posted by :
Its gonna be pretty hard to have 7 people vote for the same person when nothing has been done yet with no one really incriminated yet.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...0&postcount=54

Originally Posted by :
Hmm so I guess I'll bandwagon and Unvote, vote: Warmaster

Notice how he simply bandwagons without providing any real hard evidence for why he voted. Everyone up to this point had provided some argument, or had random voted. I know we shouldn’t discourage bandwagonning, but I would prefer a bandwagon with intelligence.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...8&postcount=61

Originally Posted by :
I did not bandwagon at every time. I voted no lynch at first merely because I did not know that there wasn't a time limit and that we needed a majority of the people to lynch. I bandwagoned with warmaster since Sasaki said that bandwagoning was actually encouraged except for the last two votes.

Think of it, if we call bandwagoning at everyone who is a second voter, how are we gonna get the majority of the voters?

Since you guys are accusing me of bandwagoning, I'll Unvote, Vote:sapi again for bandwagoning and being a hypocrite

Just to refresh everyone’s memory, Sasaki actually said:

Originally Posted by :
It just takes time and bandwagoning. I suggest we stop discouraging bandwagonning in this game. It isn't dangerous because there is no deadline. Instead, let's be really careful about putting on the 6th or 7th votes. Those are the dangerous votes, unlike in other games where people are lynched with 2 or 3 votes so that bandwagoning is a very real concern.

Nowhere does Sasaki say that Bandwagoning is encouraged, he simply says that it is not discouraged. A small point, but still anything can help at this point.

The second point is just re-iterating his earlier posts, though he seems more intent to stick with Sasaki, so FoS: Sasaki if XDeathFire turns out to be scum.

And the vote… I just can’t understand this. He votes for Sapi for bandwagoning and Hypocrisy. Wait, hang on. Didn’t he just encourage bandwagoning? This in itself is hypocrisy!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...7&postcount=63

Originally Posted by :
But Sasaki was telling us to lynch Warmaster so we according to you should have all voted and lynched him.

This was in response to:

Originally Posted by BK:
Havn't you been playing long enough to know not to trust Sasaki?? (unless he tells us to lynch someone)

I don’t see the relevance of his points here. He seems to be trying to deflect blame onto someone else. This is a very scummy thing.

So yeah, that is the reason for:

Vote: XDeathFire

sapi 08:27 04-26-2007

Hmmm...

I also find it hard to believe that he would take my vote against him seriously, especially as I made a point of emphasising the joke in the post.

I'd like to hear khann talk, so my vote remains, but I'll be watching x very carefully...

Sasaki Kojiro 08:54 04-26-2007

sapi: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Xdeathfire: 4 (sapi, Byzantineknight,Sasaki,CountArach)
Khaan 2 (Ichigo,Sapi{
No lynch: 1 (greaterkhaan)
Ichigo: 1 (Stig)

Xdeath what do you have to say?

I'd also like everyone's opinion on xdeath (those who haven't given it already).

Stig 08:58 04-26-2007

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro:
I'd also like everyone's opinion on xdeath (those who haven't given it already).

Well hard to say, this being day 1.
We haven't even seen the mafia in action yet, this will be a 50% random lynch.

He however does jump on every bandwagon ... I doubt anyone would do that as mafia, that's just too stupid

sapi 09:07 04-26-2007

sapi: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Xdeathfire: 4 (sapi, Byzantineknight,Sasaki,CountArach)
Khaan 1 (Ichigo)
No lynch: 1 (greaterkhaan)
Ichigo: 1 (Stig)

Unvote; Vote: Xdeathfire
You had me on twice; I see that Xdeathfire is by far the best lynch on the little information that we have avaliable.

Khaan is still relitively new and that small bit of conscience inside me is saying to let him live at least another round.

TevashSzat 12:43 04-26-2007

I would like to say that like what Stig has said, I have jumped on bandwagons which is something that most mafia would not do and that is my third mafia game but more like my second since I didn't participate much in the first Capo one. I am a relatively beginner to mafia so it is quite impossible that I am the mafia

Warmaster Horus 12:47 04-26-2007

Originally Posted by :
I am a relatively beginner to mafia so it is quite impossible that I am the mafia

This is one of the most recurring defenses by relative newcomers. It is also rather faulty, because mafia are chosen randomly.
New guys can also be mafiosi. Hence, Xdeathfire might be a mafioso.
So, Vote:Xdeathfire.
Sorry mate. It just happens.

seireikhaan 13:36 04-26-2007

Originally Posted by sapi:
Sasaki, I really don't like the randomness of the first round - we're bound to get a townie, or at least that's what my past games have shown - so I won't take anything seriously until we have something to go on.

That said, Unvote; Vote: khaan, as a no lynch simply doesn't help (and Xdeathfire doesn't strike me as guilty, just stupid)

While not lynching someone might not help us, persay, it ensures we don't hurt ourselves at a point when we don't really have a ton to go on. I'd like to wait until at least one kill before we decide to start lynching people. Oh, and as for Ichigo wanting me dead, he seems to like killing me in mafia games. He's tried killing me off in every game we've both been in.

Warmaster Horus 15:42 04-26-2007

Maybe Ichigo can explain that, but for now you're not the one who needs to defend himself the most.
Xdeathfire has 5 votes, I believe. We only need two more to lynch him.

Sasaki Kojiro 18:08 04-26-2007

He has 6. No one put the last on until he has claimed.

@GreaterKhan: What do you expect to learn from the kill? Lynching is the only way to beat the mafia.

Warmaster Horus 18:24 04-26-2007

Originally Posted by :
He has 6

Sorry, my mistake

Originally Posted by :
No one put the last on until he has claimed.

Until he claimed what?

Sasaki Kojiro 18:30 04-26-2007

Well if he claims cop we won't lynch him for example...

Warmaster Horus 19:06 04-26-2007

Uhh... You'd be inclined to believe a desperate guy? You've probably given him an idea there, too...

Caius 19:50 04-26-2007

Vote:Abstain

Let me re read it.Then I will change my vote

Csargo 20:05 04-26-2007

Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus:
Maybe Ichigo can explain that, but for now you're not the one who needs to defend himself the most.
Xdeathfire has 5 votes, I believe. We only need two more to lynch him.

Sasaki Kojiro 21:47 04-26-2007

Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus:
Uhh... You'd be inclined to believe a desperate guy? You've probably given him an idea there, too...

That's how this is usually done. It's a method of ensuring we don't lynch power roles. If he claims cop when he's actually mafia he'll either be counterclaimed this round or in the future, or shown to be lying when the real cop is nightkilled (pever usually reveals roles upon death).

Warmaster Horus 23:04 04-26-2007

If he claims cop, and is counterclaimed this turn then the cop is commiting suicide. If the cop claims later, we let a potential mafia off.

pevergreen 23:38 04-26-2007

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro:
That's how this is usually done. It's a method of ensuring we don't lynch power roles. If he claims cop when he's actually mafia he'll either be counterclaimed this round or in the future, or shown to be lying when the real cop is nightkilled (pever usually reveals roles upon death).

just for that comment, im going to let xdeathfire be lynched.

Xdeathfire has been lynched.

Congratulations.....someone!
Xdeathfire was mafia.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Sasaki Kojiro 23:41 04-26-2007

^^I'm confused

Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus:
If he claims cop, and is counterclaimed this turn then the cop is commiting suicide. If the cop claims later, we let a potential mafia off.

uh but then we do lynch him later instead of lynching a possible cop this round. So obviously the best choice for the cop is to not counterclaim right away.

pevergreen 23:44 04-26-2007

Game over. Everyone thought they were the lone mafia.

Sorry about that, it was just hilarious. In the new thread, the actual game will start.

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