Fallout 3 discussion

[Whacker]

Fair warning guys. I have that white label myself, and my DVD has some bad spots on it. My critter.dat and master.dat files for FO2 are on bad/unreadable spots on the disc, and I was never able to return the DVD from the place I bought it from or the white label place. I was able to make myself a copy of my dvd by copying over some old good copies of those two files so it's not a total loss. Just beware.

[Phatose]

General FO2 tips:

Tag small guns, invest heavily in it. As in 160% minimum, 200% even better - unlike in the first one, small guns can reliably make you a killing machine through the entire game. Higher stats make precision shots easier, and you should be shooting for the eyes. All the time.

Take the gifted attribute. The skill point loss is more then offset by 6 extra stat points.

It might be a good idea to get 10 agility. 10 AP is an excellent thing to have early on, simply because it lets you make 2 aimed shots with a fast weapon (the .44 revolver -> P90c -> Gauss pistol.

Eventually take the faster ROF perk and switch to a gauss rifle.

Better crits is a definite 'must have' perk for a sharpshooter.




As for FO3....well, considering the wildly innappropriate music on the teaser page for the teaser, and my overall disillussionment with Oblivion and downright disgust with Morrowind, I'm expecting them to butcher it. Could be wrong, sure, but as of now, I'd bet on butchery.

[frogbeastegg]

I'll be trying Fallout 2 tonight.

[econ21]

I gave in and reinstalled. There are few things in RPGs more pleasurable than blowing away a rat after you finally get your hands on a gun.

I'll be trying Fallout 2 tonight.

I've weakened and started playing FO2 again. Just got to level one.

What kind of character are people playing?

Mine is:

St: 5
Pe: 8
En: 4
In: 10
Ag: 10
Ch: 6
Lk: 4

Gifted, good natured.
Tagged small guns, speech and lockpick.

[Heavily influenced by Per Jorner's FAQ, I confess.]

Getting through the Temple of Trials with 22% to hit was painful, but I was pleased to find I could talk my way out of the last stage.

[TinCow]

Getting through the Temple of Trials with 22% to hit was painful, but I was pleased to find I could talk my way out of the last stage.

With high action points (which you have) you can do it almost without getting hurt. Simply do not attack more than once per turn and then use the left over action points to move away. The ants and scorpions will use up all their action points following you, so they won't be able to attack. Then whack them again and move away. Repeat until they're all done. Using this method, I was able to complete it and only got hit twice.

[econ21]

With high action points (which you have) you can do it almost without getting hurt. Simply do not attack more than once per turn and then use the left over action points to move away.

I know: that's why it was painful, it takes so long! (And is such boring, cheesy gameplay).

Fixing the still early was even more agonising. At one stage, I had 10 simultaneously geckos on my tail and 9HPs. I don't know what was worse, watching my 16% to hit a golden gecko attacks fail or waiting for the 10 geckos to move. In the end, I invested all my accumulated skill points into unarmed to get it to 99%, as I could not bear it anymore.

I'm starting to think, like froggy, may be this was great in its day, but times have moved on. If I want a blast of a familiar immersive CRPG, I may be better off with System Shock 2 or Vampire Bloodlines.

[Bob the Insane]

I'm starting to think, like froggy, may be this was great in its day, but times have moved on. If I want a blast of a familiar immersive CRPG, I may be better off with System Shock 2 or Vampire Bloodlines.

It is the reason I am not getting over excited by the concept of Fallout 3 being "different" from the first to outings... So much new stuff has come along in game design that I would't expect it...

Look at Jagged Alliance 2, great game... But when trying to build new 3d versions of the same thing "Brigade E5" it just does not come out right...

Then look at the success moves to 3D, GTA being a glowing example...

I could absolutely live with a game not unlike Stalker but of a large scale and with the whole Fallout mood and theme...

[Whacker]

I'm starting to think, like froggy, may be this was great in its day, but times have moved on. If I want a blast of a familiar immersive CRPG, I may be better off with System Shock 2 or Vampire Bloodlines.

Urg. You've got a great point, sometimes it can be... well, painful to go back and play some of the ancient games, in all their cheesy 320x200 software mode goodness. There's something to be said for if you go back to play an old favorite, and it is more of a burden or pain to play it, then let it go and remember it for being as fun as it was.

On a side note econ, it's possible to get a near full attrib char in FO2. There's a good read on Gamefaqs about this, but my current FO2 char's stats are all 10, except for endurance which is 4 (useless skill).

I could absolutely live with a game not unlike Stalker but of a large scale and with the whole Fallout mood and theme...

Ugh, not first person. I could absolutely live with something like what was implemented in that tech demo for that Doom3 mod I posted earlier, that includes the ability to perhaps do something first-person-ish, but NOT a full first or behind 3rd-person game.

[econ21]

I'm starting to think, like froggy, may be this was great in its day, but times have moved on.

I just want to recant this heresy. I'm now level 12, having taken out the raiders and the game is as satisfying as ever. Varied quests, good dialogue, satisfying combat, great levelling/looting character progression - it's still got it.

The start is rather slow and you do have to save often, but it is rewarding.

[frogbeastegg]

What kind of character are people playing?

ST 4
PE 6
EN 6
CH 7
IN 9
AG 10
LLK 5

Gifted, Small Guns, Speech, and something else.

I started the game up, got to the first bit where you can control your character, stared at the screen a bit, then cleared off to do some reading. When I finished that book I toyed with the idea of playing, and picked up a second book instead. On completing that book I went to sleep. Maybe tomorrow.

[Spino]

ST 4
PE 6
EN 6
CH 7
IN 9
AG 10
LLK 5

Gifted, Small Guns, Speech, and something else.

I started the game up, got to the first bit where you can control your character, stared at the screen a bit, then cleared off to do some reading. When I finished that book I toyed with the idea of playing, and picked up a second book instead. On completing that book I went to sleep. Maybe tomorrow.

Ooooh, you really should get the Bloody Mess trait. The visual rewards are mind splatteringly good!

[Phatose]

You guys are cranking the combat animation speed to max, yes?

[discovery1]

Ooooh, you really should get the Bloody Mess trait. The visual rewards are mind splatteringly good!

Total waste. You get the messy kills with high enough skills in weapons the appropriate weapons anyway.

[frogbeastegg]

Ooooh, you really should get the Bloody Mess trait. The visual rewards are mind splatteringly good!

I took it in my aborted Fallout 1 game out of curiosity. Its main effect seemed to be scattering dead enemies' inventories all over the landscape so it was hard to find all my loot.

Truth be told, I'm completely apathetic about gore. As long as I can tell when damage is being done that's all I want.