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    Question clans, era's, units - Historical Japan

    Looking at making a selection of campaigns in different era's,
    with different objectives,
    and different units

    where i have stated "clan X represented by clan Z",
    that means I dont have clan X in the game,
    but i do have a large chunk of members of clan X as part of clan Z,
    so I will use clan Z and simply promote the members of clan X to be the Daimyo of clan Z.

    (The Taketora clan are an amalgam of Historical and Fictional Characters,
    backed up by an array of historical heroes who dont fit anywhere else.
    I think you'll like them)




    Otherwise I need some Realistic Ideas please

    for the following era's, and wars,
    which clans and which units??


    700's to 1050
    clans?
    units?



    1051 to 1063
    (The Zenkunen War)
    which clans fought on which side?
    units?

    Abe (represented by the Satake (19 memebrs))

    Minamoto
    Kiyohara (represented by the Taketora (21 members))



    1083 to 1087
    (The Gosannen War)
    which clans fought on which side?
    units?

    Minamoto

    Fujiwara
    Kiyohara (represented by the Taketora (21 members))



    1156
    (The Hogen Rebellion)
    which clans fought on which side?
    units?

    Fujiwara

    Minamoto
    Taira



    1159
    (The Heiji Rebellion )
    which clans fought on which side?
    units?

    Minamoto
    Fujiwara

    Taira


    1180 to 1185
    (The Gempai War)
    which clans fought on which side?
    units?

    Honganji fought for both sides

    Taira
    Oba (represented by the Satake)
    Saito (represented by the Honda)

    Minamoto
    Hojo
    Kajiwara (represented by the Satomi)
    Kumagai (represented by the Amako)
    Nasu (represented by the Hatakeyama)
    Imai (represented by the Asakura)



    1185 to 1335
    clans?
    units?



    note - 1180's crossbows begin to vanish from OOB


    1335 to 1392
    (Northern and Southern Courts)
    which clans fought on which side?
    units?




    1392 to 1467
    clans?
    units?




    1467–1477
    (The Onin War)
    which clans fought on which side?
    units?

    Hosokawa

    Yamana (represented by Ashikaga (10 members))




    1477 to 1530
    clans?
    units?



    1530 - early Shogun Sengoku Campaign
    clans?
    units?



    1550 - middle Shogun Sengoku Campaign
    clans?
    units?



    1580 - late Shogun Sengoku Campaign
    clans?
    units?



    1862
    (The Meiji Restoration)
    which clans fought on which side?
    units?

    Saito and Kido (both represented by the Taketora)

    Tokugawa



    you can pick an era or war and fill in the gaps,
    and i will update this post with that information/idea


    you do not have to fill in all the era's or wars

    seeing that I am the one doing all the Clan Research
    - you do NOT have to figure out which clan i should substitue
    - i'll do that, but they will be stuck with the Kamon of the clan i choose



    CLANS AVAILABLE

    Amako
    Asakura-Asai
    Ashikaga

    Chosokabe

    Date

    Fujiwara

    Hatakeyama
    Hojo
    Honda
    Honganji
    Hosokawa

    Ichijo
    Ichimonji
    Imagawa

    Konoe
    Kujo

    Maeda
    Minamoto
    Miyoshi
    Mogami
    Mori

    Nijo

    Oda
    Otomo

    Ryuzoji

    Sanada
    Satake
    Shimazu

    Tachibana
    Taira
    Takatsukasa
    Takeda
    Taketora
    Tokugawa
    Toyotomi

    Useugi
    Ukita


    Cheers
    B.
    Last edited by barocca; 04-25-2007 at 00:44.
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    Default Re: clans, era's, units - Historical Japan

    Taira Revolt 939 - 941
    in 939 Fujiwara Sumitomo and Taira Masakado led revolts In Iyo and Shimosa against the Fujiwara. Soon afterwards they invaded Harima and Bizen. The revolt quickly spread throughout the whole San'yo region.

    Imperial forces led by Ono Yoshifuru and Minamoto Tsunemoto pursued Fujiwara Sumitomo to Dazaifu where he was defeated in battle at Hakata. Sumitomo then fled to Iyo where he was captured and executed by Tachibana Toyasu.


    units? (very basic)

    Fujiwara
    Tachibana
    Minamoto
    Ono (represented by Chosokabe)

    Arima (Sumitomo was ancestor of Arima)(represented by Ukita)
    Taira
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    ask them, which leaf on the tree
    will be next to go.

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    Default Re: clans, era's, units - Historical Japan

    You go B
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    Default Re: clans, era's, units - Historical Japan

    Not sure if an early samurai mod is still planned but I've scanned a couple of maps from a superb book I own called "A Cultural Atlas of Japan" by Collcutt, Jansen and Kumakura.

    The first shows the location of notable clans from 10-12th Centuries and, if anything, it shows the futility in trying to tie clans to the old provinces during this period - clans were small and based in fortified mansions in villages/towns. Just look at how many clans are crammed into provinces of the fertile Kanto, Nobi and Kansai plains:

    https://img115.imageshack.us/img115/...lanmap2uk7.jpg

    Second map shows the location of major private "shoen" estates during the early period which can yield a few more clan names. Note that all non-shoen lands at this time belonged to the state/imperial court so can't be assigned to clans:

    https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/...oenmap2hw7.jpg

    You're welcome to try and shoe-horn this into a Risk-like province map of Japan but I'm afraid it won't really resemble anything historical! ;-)

    Regards,
    Mike
    Last edited by Yoshitsune; 09-29-2007 at 19:19.

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