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    You might have seen the disturbed plays written by the killer at VT.

    There was, of course, great comment about how that should have indicated something was wrong.

    Now it turns out one of the Professors from VT published poems similar in hate, violence, and crudeness of competence.

    Nikki Giovanni, who gave the closing remarks at the convocation last week at VT (that dragged in references to AIDs in Africa and elephant poaching and thirsty Mexican kids, etc.), wrote those poems.

    More info is here:
    WARNING: Contains numerous racist slurs, hate crimes, and violent acts.
    http://www.vdare.com/asp/printPage.a...2_giovanni.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    Now it turns out one of the Professors from VT published poems similar in hate, violence, and crudeness of competence.

    Nikki Giovanni, who gave the closing remarks at the convocation last week at VT (that dragged in references to AIDs in Africa and elephant poaching and thirsty Mexican kids, etc.), wrote those poems.

    More info is here:
    WARNING: Contains numerous racist slurs, hate crimes, and violent acts.
    http://www.vdare.com/asp/printPage.a...2_giovanni.htm

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    Interesting find, Crazed Rabbit. I suppose if Mrs Giovanni wrote this sort of thing, she must have killed thousands of whites over the years.

    Oh right, she didn't. It was poetry.

    I guess you put this up to prove something, but you don't know how to put it. It's the same as with your thread about 'Canadian journalist attacked by Muslims'. There is something there, but it doesn't quite register in your left lateral brain lobe, the cortical area where words are formed and stringed together into sentences. What is that particular thought that refuses to put on words and come out of the closet? Is it this: Professor Giovanni was an intellectual accomplice or instigator of Cho's killing spree?

    Could Giovanni have been his accomplice or instigator, even though it was Giovanni, of all people, who alerted the English department to Cho's 'troubled behaviour' and asked to have him removed and given professional help? Can we use Cho's excesses to attack this black English professor for her political views? Can we politicise Cho's behaviour and turn it into a ' black thing'. Canw euse this to indict all those pomo literati who have lost touch with Crazed Rabbit's world and end their freedom of expression once and for all? Well, I am just guessing and second-guessing here. And I guess I'm dead wrong, huh? Doesn't mean a thing?

    Oh wait, that VDare site you linked to says this:

    The Virginia Tech massacre compels inquiring minds to search out the many other instances of immigrants who purposely kill in quantity.
    We must call this “Immigrant Mass Murder Syndrome”, to match Daniel Pipes’ term “Sudden Jihad Syndrome” describing the distinct tendency of Muslims in the U.S. to start suddenly offing Americans. In fact, Sudden Jihad Syndrome may just be a special case of Immigrant Mass Murder Syndrome.

    I guess I was right after all, wasn't I?

    I am not an American, but I understand Giovanni's poems very well. And if websites like VDare are still popular in the U.S. I suppose I would even share some of Giovanni's poetic murder inclinations.

    Oh, but those poems date from the sixties. It's your basic sixties Black Pantherite Black Artistique expression of rage, albeit in a small voice and not a huge, booming, highly articulate voice. The articulate version can, for instance, be found in Mr James Baldwin's brilliant books. Mr Baldwin didn't kill whites either, he moved to France to live amid a superior version of the breed. To get away from the VDares, so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    There was, of course, great comment about how that should have indicated something was wrong.
    Personally, I'm hoping you're trying to prove here that writing violent poems/plays doesn't mean anything...
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    Those 'poems' don't make her sound crazy.

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    It's that damned poetry! What is happening to our children? They read violent poetry!

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    Ban the poetry!

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    I think the focus on all this violent, perverted literature causing bad things to happen and being a precursor to people going ape balls is completely off base and barking up the wrong tree. No No No No No No No. The vast, vast majority of mass murderers, or even murderers for that matter, don't make an intensive point to focus their hate/craziness/intentions into literature.

    For God's sake, didn't any of you ever have to write stories in grade school and middle school, some of which involved monsters or terrorists or aliens that always managed to kill the school bullies and bad teachers first? I wrote things that would get me expelled today, but golly look at me I grew up to be an almost-decent human.
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    After watching Romeo and Juliet, I realized that Bill Shakespeare supports teen suicide. Damn you, liberal Elizabethan culture!

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc_bean
    Personally, I'm hoping you're trying to prove here that writing violent poems/plays doesn't mean anything...
    That's probably the only point someone can get from this in relation to VT shootings.

    I guess I was right after all, wasn't I?
    'Vdare' or whatever looks like a stupid site, especially with that moronic 'symptom' they dreamed up.

    The most interesting point one might get about this is how a person who wrote those poems could get such a high ranking university job. I can only suppose certain expressions of violence are more politically correct than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    I can only suppose certain expressions of violence are more politically correct than others.
    Those that don't result in people getting killed do tend to be more accepted. An interesting relevation this is...
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    If you can show me one guy who wrote white supremacist poems and holds a high ranking university position...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    If you can show me one guy who wrote white supremacist poems and holds a high ranking university position...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    The most interesting point one might get about this is how a person who wrote those poems could get such a high ranking university job. I can only suppose certain expressions of violence are more politically correct than others.
    Well, I suppose that Nikki Giovanni's 30 books, celebrated courses and speeches and 22 honorary degrees have something to do with her tenure at V Tech.

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    Well, I suppose that Nikki Giovanni's 30 books, celebrated courses and speeches and 22 honorary degrees have something to do with her tenure at V Tech.

    Wanna bet?
    What's interesting is she got her first honorary degree not to long after publishing these poems.

    If her remarks at the convocation are any guide, it makes one wonder if she was given so many honors for her talent or for the basic theme she included.

    Would a KKK poet asking if people had killed (insert various racist slurs here) in poems get so many degrees?

    In short, then, what has she done to merit all these honors? They all seem to accumulate from her initial poems. They have become a repeating cycle of award for all her past awards.

    Let me ask a clear question: Do you or don't you oppose this professor, for whatever reason ?
    I first heard of her when she read her remarks at the VT convocation. Then I opposed her remarks, which I thought tacky. Now, I she has written these poems and tattooed 'Thug Life' on her arm. And so I oppose her for one simple reason; I oppose all racists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    I first heard of her when she read her remarks at the VT convocation. Then I opposed her remarks, which I thought tacky. Now, I she has written these poems and tattooed 'Thug Life' on her arm. And so I oppose her for one simple reason; I oppose all racists.
    Thanks for the pointer, I read the address and I think it's great.

    I don't know what trip you are on, Crazed Rabbit, but I'm getting bad vibes when I read your VDare website. Reclaiming America for the white man, painting immigrants as murderers. Yeghh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    I first heard of her when she read her remarks at the VT convocation. Then I opposed her remarks, which I thought tacky. Now, I she has written these poems and tattooed 'Thug Life' on her arm. And so I oppose her for one simple reason; I oppose all racists.
    Considering those poems apparently date back to the sixties I think it's unfair to judge those by today's standards. I doubt she would have gotten all that recognition if she actually was a racist. She probably wouldn't have been picked to give the closing speech if she was a controversial figure either.

    I think you're judging a book by it's cover, a very old and probably outdated cover at that.
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