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    Exciting times! I'm tingling! A stable world in the goldilocks zone, and it's orbiting a very stable star, which means life has had many, many chances to evolve. Do you realize that this means we may find out about extrasolar life within the next fifty years? This is major. This is huge.


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    Found: The New Earth

    By MICHAEL HANLON - Last updated at 22:33pm on 24th April 2007

    It's got the same climate as Earth, plus water and gravity. A newly discovered planet is the most stunning evidence that life - just like us - might be out there.

    Above a calm, dark ocean, a huge, bloated red sun rises in the sky - a full ten times the size of our Sun as seen from Earth. Small waves lap at a sandy shore and on the beach, something stirs...

    This is the scene - or may be the scene - on what is possibly the most extraordinary world to have been discovered by astronomers: the first truly Earth-like planet to have been found outside our Solar System.

    The discovery was announced today by a team of European astronomers, using a telescope in La Silla in the Chilean Andes.

    The Earth-like planet that could be covered in oceans and may support life is 20.5 light years away, and has the right temperature to allow liquid water on its surface.

    This remarkable discovery appears to confirm the suspicions of most astronomers that the universe is swarming with Earth-like worlds.

    We don't yet know much about this planet, but scientists believe that it may be the best candidate so far for supporting extraterrestrial life.

    The new planet, which orbits a small, red star called Gliese 581, is about one-and-a-half times the diameter of the Earth.

    It probably has a substantial atmosphere and may be covered with large amounts of water - necessary for life to evolve - and, most importantly, temperatures are very similar to those on our world.

    It is the first exoplanet (a planet orbiting a star other than our own Sun) that is anything like our Earth.

    Of the 220 or so exoplanets found to date, most have either been too big, made of gas rather than solid material, far too hot, or far too cold for life to survive.

    "On the treasure map of the Universe, one would be tempted to mark this planet with an X," says Xavier Delfosse, one of the scientists who discovered the planet.

    "Because of its temperature and relative proximity, this planet will most probably be a very important target of the future space missions dedicated to the search for extraterrestrial life."

    Gliese 581 is among the closest stars to us, just 20.5 light years away (about 120 trillion miles) in the constellation Libra. It is so dim it can be seen only with a good telescope.

    Because all planets are relatively so small and the light they give off so faint compared to their sun, finding exoplanets is extremely difficult unless they are huge.

    Those that have so far been detected have mostly been massive, Jupiter-like balls of gas that almost certainly cannot be home to life.

    This new planet - known for the time being as Gliese 581c - is a midget in comparison, being about 12,000 miles across (Earth is a little under 8,000 pole-to-pole).

    It has a mass five times that of Earth, probably made of the same sort of rock as makes up our world and with enough gravity to hold a substantial atmosphere.

    Astrobiologists - scientists who study the possibility of alien life - refer to a climate known as the Goldilocks Zone, where it is not so cold that water freezes and not so hot that it boils, but where it can lie on the planet's surface as a liquid.

    In our solar system, only one planet - Earth -lies in the Goldilocks Zone. Venus is far too hot and Mars is just too cold. This new planet lies bang in the middle of the zone, with average surface temperatures estimated to be between zero and 40c (32-102f). Lakes, rivers and even oceans are possible.

    It is not clear what this planet is made of. If it is rock, like the Earth, then its surface may be land, or a combination of land and ocean.

    Another possibility is that Gliese 581c was formed mostly from ice far from the star (ice is a very common substance in the Universe), and moved to the close orbit it inhabits today.

    In which case its entire surface will have melted to form a giant, planet-wide ocean with no land, save perhaps a few rocky islands or icebergs.

    The surface gravity is probably around twice that of the Earth and the atmosphere could be similar to ours.

    Although the new planet is in itself very Earth-like, its solar system is about as alien as could be imagined. The star at the centre - Gliese 581 - is small and dim, only about a third the size of our Sun and about 50 times cooler.

    The two other planets are huge, Neptune-sized worlds called Gliese 581b and d (there is no "a", to avoid confusion with the star itself).

    The Earth-like planet orbits its sun at a distance of only six million miles or so (our Sun is 93 million miles away), travelling so fast that its "year" only lasts 13 of our days.

    The parent star would dominate the view from the surface - a huge red ball of fire that must be a spectacular sight.

    It is difficult to speculate what - if any - life there is on the planet. If there is life there it would have to cope with the higher gravity and solar radiation from its sun.

    Just because Gliese 581c is habitable does not mean that it is inhabited, but we do know its sun is an ancient star - in fact, it is one of the oldest stars in the galaxy, and extremely stable. If there is life, it has had many billions of years to evolve.

    This makes this planet a prime target in the search for life. According to Seth Shostak, of the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Institute in California, the Gliese system is now a prime target for a radio search. 'We had actually looked at this system before but only for a few minutes. We heard nothing, but now we must look again.'

    By 2020 at least one space telescope should be in orbit, with the capability of detecting signs of life on planets orbiting nearby stars. If oxygen or methane (tell-tale biological gases) are found in Gliese 581c's atmosphere, this would be good circumstantial evidence for life.

    Dr Malcolm Fridlund, a European Space Agency scientist, said the discovery of Gliese 581c was "an important step" on the road to finding life.

    "If this is a rocky planet, it's very likely it will have liquid water on its surface, which means there may also be life."

    The real importance is not so much the discovery of this planet itself, but the fact that it shows that Earth-like planets are probably extremely common in the Universe.

    There are 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone and many astronomers believe most of these stars have planets.

    The fact that almost as soon as we have built a telescope capable of detecting small, earth-like worlds, one turns up right on our cosmic doorstep, shows that statistically, there are probably billions of earths out there.

    As Seth Shostak says: "We've never found one close to being like the Earth until now. We are finding that Earth is not such an unusual puppy in the litter of planets."

    But are these alien Earths home to life? No one knows. We don't understand how life began on our world, let alone how it could arise anywhere else. There may be an awful lot of bugs and bacteria out there, and only a few worlds with what we would recognise as plants and animals. Or, of course, there may be nothing.

    The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Institute uses radio telescopes to try to pick up messages sent by alien civilisations.

    Interestingly, Gliese 581c is so close to the Earth that if its putative inhabitants only had our level of technology, they could - just about - pick up some of our radio signals, such as the most powerful military transmitters. Quite what would happen if we for our part did receive a signal is unclear.

    "There is a protocol, buried away in the United Nations," says Dr Shostak. "The President would be told first, after the signal was confirmed by other observatories. But we couldn't keep such a discovery secret."

    It may be some time before we detect any such signals, but it is just possible that today we are closer than ever to finding life in the stars.
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    And it's really close by too.

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    Atleast we now might have another planet to inhabit when we destroy this one.
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    Incredible. Better try harder at this diffy Q homework then.


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    Very exciting indeed.

    We can really only wonder if there's life on the planet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    We can really only wonder if there's life on the planet...
    We can do better that that; we can find out. Unleash our horde of robot drones!

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    Hey, we don't all have hordes of robot drones. Some of us put our resources into training an underground nation of rabbits to dominate the world.

    Seriously, 20 light years is to far away for our lifetime.

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    I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like to see more and more planets fall under the ruthless domination of our solar system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    We can do better that that; we can find out. Unleash our horde of robot drones!
    I'm reprogramming my sommelier robot as we speak! Exciting news indeed, Lemur.
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    I for one support our new Robot Drone overlords. May their reign of terror be long.
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    Getting humans there is going to be a problem, we don't travel well at those distances. It's nice to dream though.
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    Begin building the Org's generation ship.

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    Hadn't heard of this, so thx Lemus. Amazing stuff.
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    The seasons would be a bit hectic there though, you'd go through a season in about just a day
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    And it'll only take us several thousand years to get there. Quick, stock up on clones and babies for the mothership!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    We can do better that that; we can find out. Unleash our horde of robot drones!
    Are these the robotic lemurs you had stashed away, along with Kommodus' nano-bots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiji
    And it'll only take us several thousand years to get there. Quick, stock up on clones and babies for the mothership!
    Just install a "light speed" button.

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    The ambassador for the rabbit people would like to note that a rabbit requires much less sustenance than a man, and more rabbits could be supported in a ship for the resources it would take to support humans.

    Also, we have an almost ready giant laser on the moon and we'll blast anyone who tries to get there before us.

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    Well it would be cool if we could reach it sometime in the next 80 years so I would be able to know for sure. But after I discussed it with my science teacher he said that sure, there probably is, has been or will be intelligent life like ours somewhere in the universe. But the chances of them being at the same evolutionary stage as us and of all the planets in the universe us actually choosing the right one, doesn't make for very good odds.

    So who knows, maybe they are still single celled life forms on that planet and it won't be another million years or so before they reach the stone age, or maybe they had a massive nuclear war or a plague and have all died out. Or that could just be the wrong planet.

    It'd be cool if it could happen but I don't think any of us will live long enough to see any contact with aliens

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    Cool find Lemur
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    That is really neat, but being 13 times closer to it's radiatant star is bound to make for some radioactive environments. Not to mention, if there is sentient life there, evolving under 2g means they could kick our ass!
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    Great find, I needed some good news to drown out the bad in the world. I'm all for the generation ship, drones as well. We need to bombard those Gliesians with radios, lights, and drones right away so when we eventually meet we can win the we saw you first argument. Now if only we could reach anywhere near the speed of light...

    Heck if we send a ship now, by the time it reaches there I wouldn't doubt our having technology that could get there in a single lifetime. Our future spaceclowns will probably think the inbred offspring on the generation ship as the victims of a bunch of suckers as they whizz by us, probably mooning us as well.

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    I was skeptical of the article at first because it seemed to be lacking the usual stuff you see in scientific articles - discovering scientists and their universities for example. Then there was nothing about this at my usual astronomy websites, nor at the SETI webpage - and one of their scientists is quoted in the article. Even a Google search yielded little. I did find a similar article at space.com though, so I'm happy it is true.

    As for the travel time to the new planet, I think we should fire off a shipment of Twinkies right away as a peace offering to whoever or whatever is there. At least they will be fresh no matter how long the journey takes. Knowing our luck though, when we get there, the planet will be inhabited by giant mutant sentient Twinkies bent on revenge.

    Joking aside, if we manage to even detect circumstantial evidence of life, it could spur interest and money to begin serious development of interstellar vehicles.
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    There is no possible way humans could ever travel at light speed. But if we ever figured out how exactley we could move space around the ship at light speeds it would be a completely different story... ahh. Science Fiction. The Fiction Part Worries me though.

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    Teleportation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    That is really neat, but being 13 times closer to it's radiatant star is bound to make for some radioactive environments. Not to mention, if there is sentient life there, evolving under 2g means they could kick our ass!
    It would depend on the radiation the star sends out (don't know much about that) and the amount of radiation that atmosphere can block. Due to it's higher gravitational pull it would have a thicker atmosphere than earth (I assume) and perhaps that could mean it coudl block out more radiation ?

    However, this planet in itself might not be so important, but the following conclusion is:

    Quote Originally Posted by the article
    The real importance is not so much the discovery of this planet itself, but the fact that it shows that Earth-like planets are probably extremely common in the Universe.

    There are 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone and many astronomers believe most of these stars have planets.

    The fact that almost as soon as we have built a telescope capable of detecting small, earth-like worlds, one turns up right on our cosmic doorstep, shows that statistically, there are probably billions of earths out there.
    Even if only 10 billion stars are in a 'good' segment of the galaxy of the galaxy, if only one in ten of those have planets, if only one in ten of those have earth like planets and if only one in ten of those are capable of sustaining life (for whatever other reason the others can't) we're still looking at 10 million possible earths...
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    I can see my alien relatives!!! Yeeey! Haven't seen them since the Earth was born!
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    The Earth-like planet that could be covered in oceans and may support life
    Seems to be a whole load of assumptions and no real evidence of what they are claiming.

    There is no possible way humans could ever travel at light speed
    and may be covered with large amounts of water - necessary for life to evolve -
    I like how we base our assumptions on our limited knowledge and say that it must be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South
    I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like to see more and more planets fall under the ruthless domination of our solar system.
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    Does it have a magnetic field? Besides, the telescope that can detect what is claimed to be on this planet isn't going to be launched until 2020.


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