Kung Fu Mafia [Concluded]

[Stig]

Andres got killed?
That's quite stupid imo, he's always suspicious later on in the game. Sides now we can fully trust him. Good job mafia.

Vote: Warluster

he seems like the man to do this, not quite into the game, but he also knows enough to kill Andres and Disco

[pevergreen]

TBH i'd kill disco. He just pisses me off

Waiting until more discussion to vote.

[The Stranger]

@Ichigo: Maybe because I read the rules... and because I had time to understand it,.... now i miss half of whats going on... and I'm just a loost townie... In seamus game I was a loose townie out of control with connections and evidence to whipe out all of the mafia... aka i had fun :P now... I'm creating fun

[Andres]

I'm dead... Gah! What can I say?

Well, the write-up of my duel made it pretty obious that I was not really a KungFu master...

I guess that's why they decided to kill me with Kung Fu... And that's why the town should be careful with this duelling. It reveals things about our Kung Fu score. If you guys want to create "über-townies", they will need money as well to buy protection against weapons and poison.

Now, I'll ask Sasaki how much I can reveal about what has being said through PM and in the chat. IIRC, there were at least three others in the conversation about my stats, my Kung Fu score and such and about who needed training from who. They knew for sure that I was weak. Two of them are still alive

[sapi]

You raise a good point there, but it's as much a reason to have regulated combats, where only certain people fight and thus protect the majority of townies from scrutiny, than it is to can my idea...

Oh, and that didn't really say much about your score, imo.

If I had a score of 3 and you of 1, the writeup would probably have been the same as if I'd had a score of 10 and you whatever....

[Andres]

Nevermind

[The Stranger]

No because when 10 on 1 would totally pwn 2 on 22... I know it!!!

[TevashSzat]

I have a question for Sasaki here. Do mafia increase their kung fu score when they kill people with kung fu? If so, we can't count on having some uber townies because the mafia will always have more kung fu points being able to attack someone every night

[The Stranger]

what is the benefit of challeging anyway... i mean... what does the winner get... im trying to understand the rules...

[RoadKill]

TBH i'd kill disco. He just pisses me off

Waiting until more discussion to vote.

Maybe you did kill him cuz he pisses u off.

[ByzantineKnight]

@Sasaki: Can we send in the names of four townies so just incase one of them dies we still can protect?

[Orb]

Let me see:

The only defeated duellist not killed: Ichi, maybe because the mafia weren't given no indication of his ability being particularly weak. Killing Andres is perfectly sensible. He draws suspicion, but he makes good points, too.

[ByzantineKnight]

Let me see:

The only defeated duellist not killed: Ichi, maybe because the mafia weren't given no indication of his ability being particularly weak. Killing Andres is perfectly sensible. He draws suspicion, but he makes good points, too.

But he can do that while dead...

EDIT: I just realized something, who started the whole chalanging to Kung Fu thing? The Mafia probably used it to judge score, cuz it would probably be easier to kill with Kung Fu...

[Stig]

As BZK said Andres now can only make good points. His death is for the benefit of the town

[ByzantineKnight]

As BZK said Andres now can only make good points. His death is for the benefit of the town

Being alive would be better...

[Stig]

Being alive would be better...

being alive is always better

but atleast we know who to trust now. If the town wants to organize things we can simply use Andres as a gathering point

[The Stranger]

eh... are the dead allowed to speak?...

[ByzantineKnight]

eh... are the dead allowed to speak?...

I'd guess ya...

[Pannonian]

Been trying to keep away from Mafia games after the glut of a few months ago, so don't expect me to play as intensively as I used to do.

As a thought for this game, why not try reviving the protection teams from Capo? Don't know if players are marked as guilty for the rest of the game after a townie kill, but if we assign the active players roles by lot, and set them to kill or protect volunteers (or randomly assigned victims), we can see if they've really been doing what they say they've been doing.

Dead may not pm, may not discuss anything they ever pm?d or were pm?d,
may not discuss night actions in any way. For example if a living person
says ?X is innocent, I successfully protected him along with deceased
player Y, therefore you should vote Z? and Y comes to the thread and
posts ?I think you should vote for Z?, this is bad. Note that protecting
a player doesn?t confirm their innocence so this would be a bad choice
anyway. If you reveal to a player that you have ?such and such awesome
pro-town role? and you die that night, you can argue against them for in
thread reasons, but make sure you don?t indicate that it has anything to
do with your death. I reserve the right to prohibit someone from posting
entirely if I feel they have too much information.

Unfortunately we can't use the known innocents as the conduit for such matters, as they cannot discuss PMs or night matters in any way. The next best thing is to get someone who doesn't mind doing lots of work to keep track of organising these lots, then keep him under permanent watch. Since there are 4 mafia, I recommend a board of 5 to oversee him. A randomised list of names should be sent every day to those 5+the organiser, and protection teams set up by members posting numbers from that list (1 number each, perhaps 2 if participation is slack). The organiser PMs the relevant members with their orders for the night, with a summary sent to each of the board of 5 (who can check the orders with their lists). The list of protection orders should be published the following day, and we'll see whether or not everyone has been behaving as they should have been.

As the organiser, I suggest CountArach, as he's organised Mafia games in the RTR forums and is thus a sucker for work. On the board of 5, I suggest Kommodus because he's Kommodus. plus any other 4. Trustworthiness shouldn't be an inssue for the board, as they won't be doing anything pro-active, and their outnumbering the Mafia should ensure the Mafia can't form a closed conspiracy.

Feel free to discuss or argue against this idea, or suggest names for the organiser and/or board.

[ByzantineKnight]

Since there are 4 mafia

How do you know? Vote: Pannonian

[Pannonian]

How do you know? Vote: Pannonian

Bugger, mixed up what's in the public thread and what's in my PM. Since I'm not allowed to quote PMs, I'll explain in my own words. My special role allows me to see what's going on during the night, or at least part of it. Any others who may have this role will know what I'm talking about. I'm not going into any more details to avoid giving the mafia a convincing alibi, but I'll only offer this argument - look at what I've suggested, and look at it in the light of the game set up by Sasaki. Would my idea help the mafia in any way? Would it help the town? Lynch me if you want, but at least consider my idea.

[BlackAxe3001]

now i miss half of whats going on... and I'm just a loost townie...

You keep repeating yourself as if we didn't get it the first time. This seems like a cover up. We get it, your "lost". It's not hard to catch up. There are two pages of posts every time I log back on and I'm not lost. You are trying to hard be a townie by pleading ignorance.

Vote: The Stranger

[seireikhaan]

It might not help the mafia in a strict sense. However, you(a potential mafia) could be inventing a role to take suspicion off of you. Seamus attempted such a maneuver in CNII and it staved off his lynching for several rounds. I'm not going to accuse you of being a mafiosi yet, but you are on my suspicion list.

EDIT: This is response to Pannonian.

[ByzantineKnight]

@Pannonian: I'm assuming that you have a protection group if you are posting that... if not that was very stupid...

BTW, that doesn't mean there is 4 mafia, but if you are correct, then 2 are doing Kung Fu to find scores, the other two are killing...

Please PM me, and we can have a discussion...

[Pannonian]

It might not help the mafia in a strict sense. However, you(a potential mafia) could be inventing a role to take suspicion off of you. Seamus attempted such a maneuver in CNII and it staved off his lynching for several rounds. I'm not going to accuse you of being a mafiosi yet, but you are on my suspicion list.

EDIT: This is response to Pannonian.

As I said, it doesn't matter much to me whether I'm alive or not. Just consider my idea from what you know of the game. If the strategy objectively helps the town rather than the mafia, then it wouldn't help me much (if I were indeed mafia) if I had convincingly invented a role.

[Pannonian]

@Pannonian: I'm assuming that you have a protection group if you are posting that... if not that was very stupid...

BTW, that doesn't mean there is 4 mafia, but if you are correct, then 2 are doing Kung Fu to find scores, the other two are killing...

Please PM me, and we can have a discussion...

If you have specific stuff you want to talk about, then PM me. If not, discuss in public. My preference for public discussion is fairly well known.

[ByzantineKnight]

If you have specific stuff you want to talk about, then PM me. If not, discuss in public. My preference for public discussion is fairly well known.

I was just gonna tell you about the mafia and their plan...

I wont discuss how i know in the thread, only by PM, but if we start getting mafia, we can make our discussion public...

BTW Unvote:Pannonian

I will be gone for the rest of the night (probably), so i'll talk in the morning...

[RoadKill]

Vote: Pannonian Your obviously lieing.

[The Stranger]

Pann: 1
TS: 1
Xerr: 1
Warluster: 1

this tally is not official... so it might not be correct

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I protest his innocence. I can confirm the existence of such a role, his innocence seems to be clearly viable.

BTW, I don't have that role, I just know somebody who has.