Kung Fu Mafia [Concluded]

[Kommodus]

Well guys, I apologize for my inactivity.

Unfortunately, it looks like this summer is not going to be particularly conducive to my involvement in mafia games. I'll have to take a break from it for a while.

Anyway, since I got beat up and will probably be killed tonight, here's a summary of my night activities:

Night 1: Protected Redleg with GH and CR
Night 2: Protected CR with GH and HughTower

Also, following this night in which disco was killed, I got a PM from BK indicating he could tell me who killed disco. He said to wait a couple of rounds so he could tie up some loose ends.

However, I don't believe anything came of this. At this point in the game, I'd like BK to explain himself.

Night 3: Trained alone; I was being protected by CR, GH, and HughTower since I'd received the antidote from sapi.

Night 4: Idle as I'd been beaten up by TwilightBlade.

Night 5: Idle; I was away and didn't send orders.

Night 6: Tried to get training from Stig (following Pannonian's advice). I assume this failed since Stig was killed.

My starting score was 3; with one successful training (alone) it is probably now 4. Now the mafia know I can easily be killed with Kung Fu - but that was not really a secret anyway.

Finally, I'd like to suggest that Faust is guilty and should be lynched. This is based on a review of his posts and statistics. I don't have time to elaborate right now.

EDIT: Sorry, PM now paraphrased instead of quoted. I forgot we couldn't quote PMs from players beside Sasaki either.

[Pannonian]

No quoting PMs or anything not publicly available.

[sapi]

Well, it's publically avaliable now, isn't it?

[Orb]

So, Pannonian, are you satisfied by my silly name now?
CR, Sigurd and I are nothing like the Mafia.

[Pannonian]

So, Pannonian, are you satisfied by my silly name now?
CR, Sigurd and I are nothing like the Mafia.

My conclusion about CR was partly based on his name, but mostly by the goings on in an outside forum - I may have explained the details in an earlier round, but if I did not, then I can't go into them now I'm dead. I accept I was wrong about the name. However, my suspicions about you and Sigurd were based entirely on the goings on here, in this thread. I may still be wrong about you, but as of now, I've seen nothing to substantially suggest I was.

[Tran]

Well, the "different name" might indeed mean CR has a special role, but does not necessarily mean he was a bad guy. He could have some kind of detective role or something, then the bad guys probably found out and decided to kill him...

[Kommodus]

Anyway, if 3 mafia remain then we are done for regardless - after 2 kills, we'd be down to a 3-3 tie, giving the mafia the win.

Cult power activate!

Suicide:Ichigo

"We are the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad! Suicide squad... attack!!!"

Seriously, all the suicides last round were lame. They've ended the game if 3 mafia remain, and made it more difficult regardless. This game has suffered from too many suicides and mod-kills.

I don't think suicide should be used as a game tactic, or in frustration and anger. It should only be done for a legit reason (i.e. you are going to be absent for a long time and can't participate in the game).

[The Stranger]

i agree... its also stupid to say; well prove youre townie and suicide with me... i encountered this tactic twice... its stupid and no fun and doesnt add anything to the game... wether i would be townie or not i would never suicide because its simpy no fun... and a game is supposed to be fun

[pevergreen]

Well, Xdeathfire could not see my huge messages, so i had no reason to play.

[TevashSzat]

Well, all you did was say BZK was innocent and nothing more without any proof so if I said I AM NOT MAFIA without anything backing me up, will you be instantly convinced??

[Kommodus]

Well, all you did was say BZK was innocent

He said - in huge red letters - that he did NOT think Byz was innocent...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm going to kill Tsao Shui with weapon:

"Hello Tsao Shui"

Tsao Shui, spun around: "why hell..."

But that is all he got out, as he was decapitated by a fast swordstroke from a robed monk.

"Why not?" said the monk as he casually walked away, wiping his sword blade clean from the blood.

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Chu Mui's body ached from his duel earlier in the day. He set out to a hot spring located just outside the temple to help relieve his body of his aching pain. However, just after leaving the temple's premises, he stopped when a fellow monk stepped out from behind a tree in front of him. "Chu Mui, are you leaving us?" the figure asked. "How could you dare to abandon us in our time of need?"

"My dear monk, I am merely heading to the spring to help relieve my sore and aching body. I promise that I am returning to the temple when I am finished," Chu Mui responded.

"Liar!" the monk screeched. "You plan on leaving us to save your own skin! Just when we need your help most, you flee like a coward!" The monk charged Chu Mui, tackling him and pinning him to the ground. The monk pulled a crossbow that was hanging on his back and aimed it at Chu Mui's chest. Chu Mui's eyes widened and he struggled against the monk, but the monk's left forearm was pinned against his throat. The monk pulled the trigger, sending the bolt through Chu Mui's heart.

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Killed (14):
Dutch_guy
ChuggtheSquirrel
Andres
discovery1
Redleg
GH
Roadkill
Caius
Sapi
Omanes
Stig
Pannonian
TwilightBlade
Kommodus



Lynched (6):
Tran
BlackAxe
doc_bean
Crazed Rabbit
Warluster
Orb


Expelled from Temple(8):
Ignoramus
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar
Xehh
Kagemusha
Beefy187
CountArach
WarmasterHorus

Left the temple(3):
HughTower
Ichigo
Pevergreen

Living (6):

Faust|
Xdeathfire
Greaterkhaan
ByzantineKnight
Sigurd
The_Stranger

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4 to lynch.

[TevashSzat]

that he did NOT think Byz was innocent...

Ah, my misrecollection there, but still no one can deny that pevergreen seemed to be vouching for him at first with his quick counter challenge for me even though I have always randomly voted and didn't pursue any of my previous votes

[Orb]

So, suspects:

Sigurd - He was clearly working with me
Faust - odd vote patterns
Xdeathfire - lurking and insubstantial posts.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So, it seems Kommodus was vigilante killed. If that is so, we have some foolish vigilantes.

Ah well, I wash my hands of this town.

CR

[Stig]

Sigurd and Faust (who mostlikely just used Orb)

CR was mafia I think. Maybe Doc Bean as well, as we don't know his name.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Sigurd.

Has been acting scummy all game long, with the clincher being his rather absurd defense of Orb, extending the game a good two to three days with his desperate attempt to save his mafia buddy. And I'm not falling for your sarcasm, Orb. It's been clear that you two have been working together all game long. Every time Pann or Stig or someone else started to bring heavy pressure against Orb, it was always Sigurd who went rushing to his rescue at the last moment. Time to lynch this scum.

[Kommodus]

So, it seems Kommodus was vigilante killed. If that is so, we have some foolish vigilantes.

Agreed. First Pannonian, then me? Someone's going to be seriously embarrassed at the end of this.

Anyway, at least there's one good sign - there was only one mafia kill. I still think it was Faust; take that for what it's worth. If there's time later I'll try to elaborate, but I'm going to be at Cedar Point all day with some friends, so don't count on anything.

[Faust|]

Well I won't spend much more time defending myself... I'm not mafia. I am vouched for for the first 5 or 6 days except for night one, when I didn't have a training partner. Before night two I sent PM's to Stig, CR, and WH asking to train... I eventually trained with WH.

Yes, I did avoid voting for Orb for a while, but only to put pressure on TB. I'm regretful now that I couldn't switch my vote before Sasaki extended the voting.

I have other defenses (not so difficult, since I'm innocent), but for now the town has to lynch a mafia this round.

So, one thing new I observed was this: If you look at Sasaki's post of the kills, it looks like he included the mafia's orders in the write-up. The orders were, as I see it, "to weapon-kill". Not sure what to make of this.

Also, we need to look at KF scores, because I think everyone has fought in a duel here... right?

Confirmed high scores:
Sigurd

Medium-high:
TS

Medium:
Faust

Medium-low:
(TB- dead)

Low:
(Kommodus- dead)

Three uncertains are greaterkhan, BZK, and X. It is somewhat difficult to tell from the duels, as I believe this was all their first, and both gk and X defeated their opponents with a style advantage. GK and X are probably around TS's level... perhaps higher or lower. BZK, who I think is innocent anyway, is probably "medium-low" or "low". I think we have enough info to make this hierarchy useful at this point. So will someone else do the analyzing?

I'll come back later this evening to look through the previous posts.

[seireikhaan]

If there's time later I'll try to elaborate, but I'm going to be at Cedar Point all day with some friends, so don't count on anything.

Cedar Point?!?! Can I come? Pleeeaaaase?!

[Faust|]

Anyway, at least there's one good sign - there was only one mafia kill. I still think it was Faust; take that for what it's worth.

The last part is not true... even if I look at it objectively: I am excused from mafia night actions for the first 5 nights (.4% or 3.1% chance [depending on how many mafia] that I was mafia and didn't make a kill all those nights). Also, if I was mafia I obviously would not have duelled TB seeing how close it was.

Which victim was TB? If he was mafia killed then that should pretty much clear my name.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on the hierarchy before I vote. No reason to rush to a lynch at this point when the round is under control. We know that the mafia had 2 medium-high to high KF members as far as I can recall... Since there is at least one mafia left, I doubt that we lynched them both already. As I see it Orb was most likely one, and he did have a high KF.

[Kommodus]

Well I won't spend much more time defending myself... I'm not mafia. I am vouched for for the first 5 or 6 days except for night one, when I didn't have a training partner.

I'm not sure how you can claim this. You claim Pannonian as your alibi for nights 3, 4, and 5, since he observed you training - which is true. But Pannonian doesn't seem to consider that alibi ironclad:

Close enough. Orb was on the verge of being lynched, but Sasaki's return was close, and indeed did Sigurd THEN cast his vote for Twilightblade. Townies, lynch Orb today, Sigurd tomorrow, Faust the day after. If you can, pool your resources to night-killl one of them - without night-kills, AFAICS it's a locked win for the scum.

Also, you have no alibi for night 6.

Still, I don't recommend any hasty lynchings at this point. You're right about one thing - the town probably needs to lynch a mafioso at this point to win.

[Faust|]

I'm not sure how you can claim this.

I do claim that I am vouched for for 4/5 first nights... I don't see how it can be otherwise. Night one I didn't train because I thought we needed a partner. After that I PM'd people and got WH to train with me night 2. Nights 3, 4, and 5 my night training was observed. Out of 5 nights that I COULD be vouched for, I can be verified as training for 4. The remaining night (night one), I have a good excuse. I actually found out about training solo through the chat. Ichigo, sapi, and GK were present at that time, with sapi informing me of this detail. It is true that I, along with the vast majority of other players, do not have an alibi for any night after night 6.

But this does give me an idea. It may be too late, however. But... Assign training partners to each player (we have an even number). Either the mafia are "blocked" or if a player does not receive a +1 bonus, their training partner was performing another night action. I'm wondering if this is possible or if they would then train by themselves by default, gaining the +1 anyway. Again, this is unfortunately somewhat late, I'm not sure that it would do much good at this point. If there is only one mafia at this point, I think it would be worth employing.

*Hmm, ok though. If the player who fails to receive the +1 bonus is killed that night there would be no way to determine the suspected mafia absolutely. You could "guess" that it was his training partner, though.

[seireikhaan]

Ok, maybe this is pure coincidence, but I picked up on something while I was rereading the info thread. Sigurd challenged someone in all but two rounds, and winning every challenge he participated in by a wide margin, even the ones where he was at a style disadvantage. With the writeups, we know that there were at least two mafioso who were proficient at kung fu. I think its unlikely we've killed off both of them. I believe Orb was one of those mafioso. Here's what I thought was intriguing. Sigurd challenged someone in all but two rounds. In the two rounds he didn't challenge, there was one other notable person who didn't make a challenge: Orb.

Perhaps the mafia has taken deliberate steps recently to temper the inordinate growth of their kung fu(since all the kung fu kills would add to this), figuring that such an insanely high kung fu score would attract attention. It seems quite suspicious to me that Orb and Sigurd would be quite so coordinated, in addition to the fact that Sigurd has always been running to Orb's rescue at the last second during the whole game. Also, my guess is that the mafia probably bought a crossbow and framed a vigelante kill to try hiding their numbers. In addition, it would make sense, going with the theme of trying keep their kung fu from being astronomical.

Here's my last problem. The mafia went straight for high profile targets, almost right away. They left Kommodus towards the end, probably because he wasn't contributing much and had admitted to being busy. However, Sigurd most certainly is high profile, and he's been attempting discussion most of the game. Why, then, isn't he dead? Surely if he was innocent, the mafia would have continued their theme of high profile kills and taken him out early. And yet, here he still lives...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

From what I can see here, it is quite obvious that the mafia has taken at least one casualty, that is, if there is four of them - otherwise the town would now be defeated. From the number of kills, and the fact that the town is still in existence, there are obviously a maximum of three (or possibly two) still among you. Bear in mind that, if there are three mafioso then, the town will suffer defeat if you lynch the wrong person. Think very carefully before casting votes.

BTW, Sigurd, if he is mafia, is quite likely to be the Kung Fu Killing Mafioso due to his very high score. He was enabled last night, yet the kill was through weaponry. That could almost clear him, unless it's a trick of some form or another, Sigurd certainly does have the intelligence and mafia experience to pull that one off, as greaterkhaan has said. I still don't trust him, and never have done, but I suggest you wait to see what he has to say for himself in his defence before lynching him.

[The Stranger]

who are we going to vote for?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

who are we going to vote for?

Sigurd is the current prime target in the opinions of the majority of the noble town, but I, if I could vote, would wish to see his defence before having him slaughtered. I suggest that others wait for this response too.

[Orb]

From what I can see here, it is quite obvious that the mafia has taken at least one casualty, that is, if there is four of them - otherwise the town would now be defeated. From the number of kills, and the fact that the town is still in existence, there are obviously a maximum of three (or possibly two) still among you. Bear in mind that, if there are three mafioso then, the town will suffer defeat if you lynch the wrong person. Think very carefully before casting votes.

This game doesn't end until every townie's dead, but if there are four mafia left, the town's lost anyway, so we should assume there are two or three.

BTW, Sigurd, if he is mafia, is quite likely to be the Kung Fu Killing Mafioso due to his very high score. He was enabled last night, yet the kill was through weaponry. That could almost clear him, unless it's a trick of some form or another, Sigurd certainly does have the intelligence and mafia experience to pull that one off, as greaterkhaan has said. I still don't trust him, and never have done, but I suggest you wait to see what he has to say for himself in his defence before lynching him.

He'd incriminate himself by killing with Kung Fu. In his situation, were I mafia (and he isn't, I think), I wouldn't even consider a Kung Fu kill. He doesn't need to boost his score any more.

I repeat. Sigurd and I have never worked together. Anyone who believes that is insane.

[Tran]

I repeat. Sigurd and I have never worked together. Anyone who believes that is insane.

I don't. But I do believe you worked with somebody else...

[The Stranger]

Orb its not a smart debating move to say agree with me or else... its pretty much threathening