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    Interesting story from Rio:

    Vigilantes impose peace in Rio slums

    By PETER MUELLO, Associated Press Writer Sun Apr 29, 1:30 PM ET

    RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil - For as long as anyone can remember, the cracked asphalt soccer field in the Roquete Pinto slum was off-limits to children — "reserved" by gangs selling marijuana and cocaine. Then, a few months ago, a mysterious squad of beefy men with submachine guns started patrolling on foot, and the drug dealers disappeared.

    A few days ago, while gunbattles were raging in two other Rio de Janeiro neighborhoods and bystanders were shielding their kids from the bullets, the barefoot teens of Roquete Pinto smiled and shouted as they kicked a ball around their freshly liberated field.

    Startling transformations like Roquete Pinto's are increasingly visible across Rio, as for-profit "militias" made up of active and former police officers, private security guards, off-duty prison guards and firefighters evict drug gangs from slums where violence used to be out of control.

    Although some worry about the implications of vigilante justice, the militias have powerful sympathizers, among them Mayor Cesar Maia, who calls them "self-defense groups" and says that compared with the drug gangs, the vigilantes are the lesser evil.

    The surprise is that the gangs aren't fighting to hold their turf. In the few known cases where they did, militia gunfire turned them back.

    Critics say the city risks going the way of Colombia, where violent paramilitary groups that sprang up to battle guerrillas came to hold more power than authorities in some areas.

    "It's the state that establishes law and order, not the militia," said Sergio Cabral, governor of Rio de Janeiro state. "We won't accept this under any conditions."

    But President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva hasn't spoken out against the militias, and it seems that law enforcement has fallen into a gray area in many Rio slums, and city authorities may be content to leave it at that as Brazil prepares to host
    Pope Benedict XVI next month and Rio stages the Pan American Games in July.

    In this city of 6 million people, one of the world's most violent, "the police provide security for the rich" and "the militias are the security of the poor," said Marina Maggessi, a congresswoman and a former senior drug-control official. She has mixed feelings about the militias, saying they represent the "collapse of the state."

    First gaining strength in 2003 as an alternative to ineffective, often corrupt police, the illegal security forces have mushroomed since late last year and now control about 90 of Rio's 600 "favelas," Maggessi said. Success in slums like Roquete Pinto, meanwhile, fuels their expansion into others.

    "This place was dead," said Joao Batista dos Santos da Silva Jr., president of the Roquete Pinto residents' association. "It was war every day."

    Like many slum community leaders, he refuses to acknowledge the existence of the militias, saying the cleanup is entirely the work of the police, even though there is no station in the slum, and not a single officer or patrol car was seen during two recent visits.

    On the other hand, Roquete Pinto's new protectors were hard to miss: Seven big men in shorts and T-shirts, silently eating lunch in a pool hall, a submachine gun and automatic pistols on the table between their plates.

    In another favela, Rio das Pedras, a woman selling shampoo on the street had no doubts. "There are no muggers and no drug sellers," said Margarida Rodrigues dos Santos, 57. "The militia won't let them in."

    At Roquete Pinto's soccer field, the gangs "would come down here, shoot the place up and tell everyone to go home," said 19-year-old Rodrigo dos Santos.

    Now the only reminders of the gangs are the bullet-pocked street lamps around the soccer field. Residents say robberies have become rare. Delivery trucks once barred from entering now drive through, and there's a new Internet cafe and a lively outdoor market.

    There are no official estimates of how much money the militias make, but residents of one slum told the O Estado de S. Paulo newspaper that families pay $7-$14 per month. That adds up quickly in the steep hillsides where tens of thousands of families live.

    Militia leaders did not respond to requests for interviews.

    "They're very leery about reporters," said Jose Fontes, a member of a militia that took over the Kelson's slum last November. "The commander is in hiding and won't even answer his phone."

    At least one high-ranking police officer has endorsed their work while acknowledging that they are illegal.

    "The communities are now free from the traffickers," Col. Mario Sergio de Brito Duarte, who heads a special favela operations unit, said in an e-mail. "Children and teenagers living in these neighborhoods are no longer exposed to drug wholesaling."
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    There are no official estimates of how much money the militias make, but residents of one slum told the O Estado de S. Paulo newspaper that families pay $7-$14 per month. That adds up quickly in the steep hillsides where tens of thousands of families live.
    I wonder how they overcome the "free-riding problem" and get residents to pay? Protecting a neighbourhood is rather different to protecting a private property like a shop, because if you chase off the criminals you benefit all in the neighbourhood rather than just your premises. The risk that people who benefit try to free-ride and not contribute is one reason the state rather than the market usually provides such services funded as it can force people to pay through taxation.

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    Like any other protection racket, I imagine any free-loaders are made an example of, and experience a spate of "bad luck" till they pay their share.
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    Its funny , they had a similar set up in the six counties , armed miltia protecting the neighbourhoods , it turned out the protectors were really just drug dealing murdering scum .
    Anyhow with the history of police/ex-police community cleansing groups in Rio it wouldn't be wise to not pay the protection money

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    Default Re: For-Profit Vigilantism for Economic Growth and Happy Children - ah, capitalism

    Why does this remind me of the Mafias in New York and Chicago during the 20-40s? Didn't they really get their start by forcing residents of neighborhoods to pay a certain fee per month for protection?

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    Default Re: For-Profit Vigilantism for Economic Growth and Happy Children - ah, capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Wakizashi
    Why does this remind me of the Mafias in New York and Chicago during the 20-40s? Didn't they really get their start by forcing residents of neighborhoods to pay a certain fee per month for protection?
    Maybe some similarities, but I wouldn't say it's the same yet either- based on the article at least.

    IIRC, the mafia usually charged fees for protection from themselves as much as anything else. In the Rio case, the thugs seem to be providing a valuable and much appreciated service- at least for now. Apparently, their government is completely incapable or unwilling to provide them with any security.

    Although some worry about the implications of vigilante justice, the militias have powerful sympathizers, among them Mayor Cesar Maia, who calls them "self-defense groups" and says that compared with the drug gangs, the vigilantes are the lesser evil.
    Tough to argue with that.
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