Magna Carta

[Cecil XIX]

Well, I'm certainly ready to be William the Conqueror.

[Csargo]

I figured you'de take that honor Ignoramus.

[Ignoramus]

Well, Cecil_XIX was the second person to join, and he's missed out on a lot of KotR, so I thought that he deserves to have William.

Both you and gibbonsong also could have had the post, but sadly three people can't play one person. But you'll have Henry, who if he plays his cards correctly could become king like he did in history.

Initial avatar assignment:
King William the Conqueror - Cecil_XIX
Prince Rufus - Ignoramus
Robert - ?

Currently we have no one for the Curthose family. Warluster is the first baron of the Rufus family, and should get Rufus' first son. Ichigo will get Henry as soon as he comes of age.

[Warluster]

Well,seems all good to me. Are we starting?

[Ignoramus]

The Parliament is open as soon as Cecil_XIX opens it in character in the Parliament thread. After that, everyone may contribute.

[gibsonsg91921]

i cant wait to reinstall my game and join this, but id feel bad reserving an avatar. ill probably be ready to join next weekish? i think ill wait to pick an avatar until i know if hes probably not going to be king.

@cecil - adopt a few possible good candidates so we can have separate royal families like in kotr like the kastiliens, hamburgs, mahrens, steffens, etc.

[gibsonsg91921]

hey im ready to play i reinstalled - are there any avatars available that arent in the direct line to be king, ie not rufus, robert, or henry? ill take the first adopted guy i guess

[Warluster]

Robert is unassigned. Ignoramus might let you take him.

[gibsonsg91921]

i guess i could take robert, i'm just a little cautious of taking anyone who might become king if i wont have time by then.

[Warluster]

Well you have to take risks :)

[gibsonsg91921]

its not that i would dislike being king but it would take a good long time for me to play it once the schoolyear starts again

[Warluster]

Well fi you become King, and work/school gets to busy, you could just hand the avatar to someone else.

[gibsonsg91921]

true, i guess ill take robert

[Warluster]

I convinced you! Yay!

[gibsonsg91921]

yep - plus as robert i start out on the mainland in caen, the best settlement out there

[Cecil XIX]

Hearing the term 'houses' effectively replaced with 'families' has given me an idea. Suppose that, instead of having a fixed four families, we have the families branch off over time? My idea is that when a father dies, the families split up based on their last names (or lack thereof). Let me use KotR as an example of how this would work. Arnold, Hans, Ebelhard, and Henry are all one family. While Henry is alive, all those under him on the family tree are part of that family, but when he dies Ulrich Hummel will become head of his own family, and since Sigismund der Stoltze is already dead the von Salza and van Dassel branches will also split. The von Kastilien, von Mahren, and von Hamburg lines were all part of the von Saxony family when Dietrich was alive, but when he died they all became their own seperate families. It may need some tweaking for simplicities sake, but I think the idea of one last name for one family, with each family having the power of a House, as some intrigueing implications.

The main problem would be making sure each family has a reasonable number of provinces for it's members. It would be necessary for Dukes and Counts to keep the lands they conqueror. The benefits would be making it easier to contruct IC justifications for rebellion due to the decentralization of loyalty, as well as making the politics between nobles more interesting. It would also increase the IC impetus for fathering your own children, something that is more historically accurate

In any case, I'd very much like to here the opinions of more experienced PBEMers on how this changes would affect gameplay.

[Warluster]

Yeah,sounds pretty good.

And then it would cause more problems as Famil Memebers have more loyalty to their families then to England, and then rivalires betweeen the families..

I think its a bloody good idea Cecil.

[gibsonsg91921]

robert is curthose, correct?

[Csargo]

I can still put forward petitions even though I don't have an avatar, right?

[Ignoramus]

Certainly. It would be a rather boring Parliament if there were only two voices.

[Ignoramus]

Don't forget that only Counts, Dukes, the Prince, or the King may lead armies.

You will need to appoint more counts to have more armies.

Oh, and taxes will need to be debated as well.

[gibsonsg91921]

is robert a duke or a count, or nothing? what family is he, curthose? and when do we start playing?

[gibsonsg91921]

i have a few other questions too. is 600 florins a turn going to be revised? because at this point we cant even train mailed knights. also, hypothetically, if i were to feel ambitious, could i attack someone who is not the king, say william rufus, in the hopes of usurping the throne? im not going to do that cuz that would be REALLY MEAN. but hypothetically, later on, if theres a brat i dont like, can i attack him without being disloyal to the king?

[Cecil XIX]

I suppose it would be up to the king. Of course, most kings (including myself) would not look kindly upon infighting between nobles. Actually, it would be pretty interesting if the King was forced to intervene personally.

EDIT: Ignoramus, Ichigo, gibsong91921. What are your thoughts on my idea about families? I'm sure you know better than to worry about hurting my feelings. ^_^

[Csargo]

I think it's a good idea.

[gibsonsg91921]

i thought it was cool too

[Ignoramus]

I agree; it's a good idea.

I encourage everyone to debate the tax levels of the English cities. Remember that aside from declaring war, this is the only current privilege of the Parliament.

Also, those with avatars(myself, Ichigo, and gibbonsong) might want to lobby Cecil to appoint them lands from the Crown to raise them to the rank of a Count.

[gibsonsg91921]

i messaged cecil about my countyship and im waiting on his reply

[Csargo]

I agree; it's a good idea.

I encourage everyone to debate the tax levels of the English cities. Remember that aside from declaring war, this is the only current privilege of the Parliament.

Also, those with avatars(myself, Ichigo, and gibbonsong) might want to lobby Cecil to appoint them lands from the Crown to raise them to the rank of a Count.

I didn't think I had an avatar yet.

[gibsonsg91921]

you're henry - he just hasnt come of age