The well educated and the virtuous

[Pindar]

I understand 'must' as irresistably compelling, as: breathing.

The posit seemingly sits on the definitions of virtue (prudence, justice, fortitude and temperance), and educate(d) "the lead out", the instructed, informed.

Educate is taken as its base meaning: to lead out and virtue is moral standing.

However, the "well" qualifier introduces a qualitative and subjective measure to the position. Will you yield "well" and let the remainder of the posit stand on its own? Or is "well" necessary?

I will not yield 'well'. It is essential to the posit. The adverb is being used as: proper or sufficient.

Whether one has attained this quality may be subjective, but the relation of well educated to virtue can be evaluated independent of a subject.

[Husar]

Oh, a grammar thread.
Maybe I voted too early then, I just had the thought of a simple man(despite my good education) that you meant a good education means a man(or woman, don't forget about the women!) will turn out good, but we had quite a lot of bad people from good schools to prove that this is not necessarily the case I think.

[Vladimir]

So no ruling on what virtues they're supposed to have huh?

[KukriKhan]

Educate is taken as its base meaning: to lead out and virtue is moral standing.



I will not yield 'well'. It is essential to the posit. The adverb is being used as: proper or sufficient.

Whether one has attained this quality may be subjective, but the relation of well educated to virtue can be evaluated independent of a subject.

Very well. 'Well' remains.

A man educated in a well, certainly must have deep thoughts - likely also dark and damp. Virtuous thoughts, possibly, but not necessarily, dependant on circumstance.

The conversation has, of course, moved on since I left it this morning, and intent has been revealed. Leaving me with naught but the Gregoshi gambit. :)

The punctuation-modified statement The well-educated man must be a virtuous man fails as a declarative truth for lack of evidence provided or proved, that a link exists between education and virtue.

But I acknowledge my ignorance of classical/ancient education modes and definitions that might prove otherwise.

Personally, I can't wait to see where this thread leads... 'if modern education does not lead to virtue...' 'can virtue be achieved in ignorance?...'

[Adrian II]

Very well. 'Well' remains.

A man educated in a well, certainly must have deep thoughts - likely also dark and damp. Virtuous thoughts, possibly, but not necessarily, dependant on circumstance.

The conversation has, of course, moved on since I left it this morning, and intent has been revealed. Leaving me with naught but the Gregoshi gambit. :)

The punctuation-modified statement The well-educated man must be a virtuous man fails as a declarative truth for lack of evidence provided or proved, that a link exists between education and virtue.

Don't tell me you never told your kids what's right and wrong and if necessary, um, reinforced the lesson, so to speak.


@ Papewaio

1. Men aren't genes
2. If Dawkins is correct, our genes don't give a ** about our individual survival. In which case we shouldn't give a ** about their survival

[Papewaio]

I agree we aren't our genes... hence my signature.

The form of virtuous is important. Whomever is gaining the benefit of this virtuous nature should be the provider of payment for the education. If it is for the sole (soul?) benefit of the person, then they should foot the bill. If it is for the benefit of the whole of society, then the state should be footing the bill.

Education for the person, payed by the person.
Education for the people, payed by the people.

[Pindar]

Yep thats why I voted "disagree"

You agree with this statement: "Education absent virtue destroys."?

[Pindar]

I am failing to see the point of 'educated' in this sense.

Educated evidently comes from duco meaning 'to lead' in Latin.
Now, since this is the Latin and not Greek, and we are referring to Socrates Greek. In this case, I would ask what the heck.

The 'point' of educated was noted in post 6.

The philosophical framework of Rome was derived from Greece.

Bad thread.

I see. Sorry to have failed to meet your standards.

[Pindar]

Very well. 'Well' remains.

A man educated in a well, certainly must have deep thoughts - likely also dark and damp. Virtuous thoughts, possibly, but not necessarily, dependant on circumstance.

The conversation has, of course, moved on since I left it this morning, and intent has been revealed. Leaving me with naught but the Gregoshi gambit. :)

I don't know what the Gregoshi gambit is.

Personally, I can't wait to see where this thread leads... 'if modern education does not lead to virtue...' 'can virtue be achieved in ignorance?...'

This thread has already been deemed a bad thread, so your expectation would seem to be a mistake.