"Failure is not an option", per Bush43. And the Bushies have summated what victory means:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/ir...y_nov2005.html

Some real high fallutin' stuff in there. Of course their definition for victory seems decades away and rambles a bit. It seems to ignore reality, but why let that get in the way.

For me, it looks and sounds more like Vietnam daily. It is the same rhetoric, used four decades ago to justify a war that was just as unwinnable.

Still, I say let Bush have all the rope he needs - who knows maybe the "surge" will do more than simply waste more GI's lives. Maybe, the warring Iraqi factions will suddenly realize that America is their friend, all lay down their arms and love one another. Who knows, it could happen.

Or, the nightmare scenario that the Bushy's strategy paper outlines - becomes reality. Whether we stay the course, or not.

Regardless, how will we define victory? Is there a victory? Certainly not a military one - we won the war already; how does one nation win anothers civil unrest?

Define victory.