Elephants
Are elephants of any use in EB? I have deployed them against sweboz (easily killed by mounted skirmishers) and pontos (a general killed 3 units of them). In vanilla RTW and RTR they were really strong but in EB they seem really weak.
P.S. The heavy armoured elephant and the normal elephant have the same in battle model. Why don't you "copy" the beautiful RTR κατάφρακτος elephant?
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Because we are making our own.
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I understand but in the meanwhile you could leave the vanilla skin at least...Originally Posted by keravnos
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For the time being, see here.
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good but the RTR elephants are better
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Keep them near the battleline for a morale penalty to the enemy, out of range from skirmishers, and never send them in unsupported. Very useful with cavalry or a screen of infantry protecting them.
They are also RTRs elephants, not EBs to use.good but the RTR elephants are better
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So copy-paste the relevant files and do some minor editing of your descr_model_battle.txt. Personally, I've lost count of how many different sources all kinds of peripheral textures and models come from in my copy...good but the RTR elephants are better
RTW is rather "plug and play" friendly in this regard.
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To answer the original question....
I am not that experienced in using them, but have some experience now playing at Epiros. I find that they rock, because they cause a substantial morale hit to the enemy troops for some distance. In addition, they can melee and cause substantial damage, but I try not to use them except when I know they are going to win. They are expensive and difficult to replace.
Even just sitting behind your battle line they are an asset.
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Elephant stats will be taken a look at, but I don't expect any changes as they work as they are intended. Elephants were used for two purposes in war: Cavalry screen & breaking up infantry formations.
And as someone else said, they are RTR's elephants. Not ours.
But ours are being made now. Expect some nice images next preview.
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Don't leave them in melee and only attack a unit that's engaged. I learned that the hard way as the Qarthadastei (but their elephants are the weakest ones).
I love charging into Equites Romani with them. They take out like 4 each on the charge and cause complete annihilation. My elephants' tusks are stained with the blood of a general or two as well.
You have "copy" in quotes, so I assume you mean take their design...can't do that (and it would be cheap beyond belief as well), and EB is working on that, as said.
However, I have a question...I had my elephants hanging out on my flank after scraping some Romans off their tusks, and I told them to go behind some cavalry of mine...they went from 24 to 7 all of the sudden (their bodies taking out a bunch of cavalry), and ran amok. I have no idea what happened. I think it was some accensii, but I didn't think they were that vulnerable to the weakest slingers ever.
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Everything, especially armored things (like elephants) are vulnerable to slingers. In my current build I have doubled the cost of slingers, and they are still a little overpowered.
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Even used correctly, I can't see them ever being worth the expense.
Plain old cheapo medium cav gets the same job done better, for less.
They have some roleplay / immersion value - and they look really cool - but in strategic terms they're kind of a big downer.
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I always think of them - and for that matter most higher-end expensive units - as essentially specialist luxury items. Something you use if you can afford it, but had damn better be able to do without most of the time (for the record, my Baktrian armies tend not have too much heavier stuff than assorted javelin cav and skirmishers unless absolutely necessary...).
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A cav gets loses, elephants not. You can use them for many battles. After three your cav is history.
Last edited by LennStar; 05-05-2007 at 12:37.
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Dunno how you manage your cavalry, but unless I really screw up/the army is destoryed, my cavalry will usually last me my whole campaign.
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My cav is mostly the first who is down because I crush them in backs as much as possible. And every crush you lose one, two or three of them, mostly while retreating. One or two horses always bury themselves deep into the enemy, dunno why them bakas do it.
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Elephants to the back of an engaged unit > Heavy horsie cavalry to the back of an engaged unit.
You just can't get the same sort of momentum & potential instant carnage from cavalry
Last edited by hoom; 05-07-2007 at 15:46.
maybe those guys should be doing something more useful...
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