Update 2 Released!

**Nellup** · 05-06-2007, 18:22

At last, the new patch, now I can spend hours playing M2TW instead of checking to see if the patch has been released....

Nellup

**Doug-Thompson** · 05-06-2007, 18:35

Notably, Egyptian halbreds do much better against infantry if they are in loose formation.

Egyptians vs. English Dismounted feudal knights (sword and spear), normal settings, grassy plains, 1 to 1 frontal, both in close formation. English win with 53 men left to 12 Egyptians remaining.

Same situation, halbs in loose order and English still in close: Egyptians win wtih 28 men remaining to 24 for English. English morale broke before their leader was killed.

**Shahed** · 05-06-2007, 19:09

Interesting. Did you run the test a few times (e.g 3 or 4) to compare results ?
I think that test in itself says a lot, but just wondering what a sample sequence test result would be.

**Doug-Thompson** · 05-07-2007, 00:01

Originally Posted by Sinan

Interesting. Did you run the test a few times (e.g 3 or 4) to compare results ?
I think that test in itself says a lot, but just wondering what a sample sequence test result would be.

Just tried it once. There's a lot more work to be done on this topic.

I never can tell how much animation has to do with the results. It may be nothing, but I tried loose formation because it sure didn't look like the halbreds had enough room to make a good swing. That's probably totally irrelevant. I'll do a few 1 to 1's tonight and average the results.

**dopp** · 05-07-2007, 00:39

Infantry in defensive formation doesn't attack and is defeated easily, part of the reason why spearmen suffer against swords.

**Handel** · 05-07-2007, 01:12

Originally Posted by dopp

Infantry in defensive formation doesn't attack and is defeated easily, part of the reason why spearmen suffer against swords.

The spearmen *must* suffer against sword/shield combo. In reality the spearmen were the cheapest troops just a little better then the lowly peasants. A spearmen is helpless against a sword/shield combo.

**dopp** · 05-20-2007, 01:55

Originally Posted by Handel

The spearmen *must* suffer against sword/shield combo. In reality the spearmen were the cheapest troops just a little better then the lowly peasants. A spearmen is helpless against a sword/shield combo.

Nono, they don't attack at all, or at a reduced rate. Worst offenders are pikemen, who just stand there and eventually lose against virtually anything (even cavalry). It's not a balance issue, but a behavior issue.