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    Of course we are talking about Pim Fortuyn who was shot by a single gunmen with no political ties whatsoever. What makes it somewhat more complicated is that not only 9mm rounds were found in his body, but also a 5.62 nato, the round our military uses. Hmmmmmmmmmm who would have thought!

    More tommorow, when the whistleblower presents his findings

    //grabs nuts and beer, fun.

    GAWD I just had to add this, Fortuyn after debating the opposition, guess who's who.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Of course we are talking about Pim Fortuyn who was shot by a single gunmen with no political ties whatsoever. What makes it somewhat more complicated is that not only 9mm rounds were found in his body, but also a 5.62 nato, the round our military uses. Hmmmmmmmmmm who would have thought!

    More tommorow, when the whistleblower presents his findings

    //grabs nuts and beer, fun.

    GAWD I just had to add this, Fortuyn after debating the opposition, guess who's who.
    Well each has a beer and you can only see one hand so the other...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir
    Well each has a beer and you can only see one hand so the other...
    I think you're almost there Vladimir. But Fortuyn has a wine, so it must be the opposition guy that grabbed a beer and his nuts.

    Now to wait for that whistleblower to see if we are correct...
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    Would someone be so kind as to explain what happened or provide a link for me?
    #Hillary4prism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Two creeps, living in different universes ruled by their ruthless personal ambition. And in the case of Fortuyn, controlled by a handful of real-estate mobsters.

    Both are now dead, only the one on the right didn't quite get the message and is still breathing somewhere in Washington.
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    Fragony has apparently got word of some report being released today (or soon), casting doubt on the 'single-shooter' explanation of Pim's assassination.

    No link yet. So we do what we do best here: speculate. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan
    The guy pictured (the one with the hair) looks like my ex-father-in-law.
    Oh, he has fathered countless failures..
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    how can anyone believe the single shooter teory???

    it is obvious that the shot came from the grassy sex shop window!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan
    Fragony has apparently got word of some report being released today (or soon), casting doubt on the 'single-shooter' explanation of Pim's assassination.

    No link yet. So we do what we do best here: speculate. :)

    The guy pictured (the one with the hair) looks like my ex-father-in-law.
    With that expression, looks like someone peed in his beer.
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    There's only one logical solution.



    Pim Fortuyn=Julius Caesar.

    But that also mean that Pim Fortuyn= Jezus cause Jezus= Julie caesar:
    http://home-3.tiscali.nl/~meester7/jezus.html

    I quote:
    Een laatste mysterie is de Lijkwade van Turijn, een doek van 4,60 bij 1,10 meter dat in de kathedraal van Turijn wordt bewaard en dat rond 1355 opdook in Frankrijk. Er staat een vreemde afbeelding op die een afdruk van het lijk van Jezus zou zijn (foto links). Er is in 1988 een koolstof-14-datering van het doek uitgevoerd en daaruit bleek dat het dateerde van 1260-1390 na Chr. Toch zijn er nog mensen die in de (mogelijke) echtheid geloven. Nu is dat op zichzelf niet vreemd, want er zijn ook nog mensen die in graancirkels blijven geloven, hoeveel mensen er ook zijn die zeggen dat ze de cirkels zelf gemaakt hebben. Je hoeft maar wat rode verf op een Mariabeeld te smeren en van heinde en verre stomen de gelovigen toe om het Wonder van de Wenende Madonna te aanschouwen. En Pim Fortuyn is nu ook al heilig verklaard - alweer een voorbeeld van een Verlosser die werd vermoord, net als Julius Caesar, die trouwens ook kaal was en in de politiek zat. En Pim had ook een buitenhuis in Italië.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Of course we are talking about Pim Fortuyn who was shot by a single gunmen with no political ties whatsoever. What makes it somewhat more complicated is that not only 9mm rounds were found in his body, but also a 5.62 nato, the round our military uses. Hmmmmmmmmmm who would have thought!

    More tommorow, when the whistleblower presents his findings

    //grabs nuts and beer, fun.

    GAWD I just had to add this, Fortuyn after debating the opposition, guess who's who.

    Just a minor point, and admittedly tangential:

    There is no such thing as a 5.62mm NATO round. There is a 7.62mm, or a 5.56mm.
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    Well nothing in the quality newspapers so far, which usually means that it is true. Let's file this one under we will never know. Of course we do know, but hey.

    There is no such thing as a 5.62mm NATO round. There is a 7.62mm, or a 5.56mm.

    Ya one of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Well nothing in the quality newspapers so far, which usually means that it is true. Let's file this one under we will never know. Of course we do know, but hey.
    You haven't come up with anything yourself. This looks like the classic stance of the paranoiac. There is no need for tangible evidence in his universe; in fact any evidence whatsoever would spoil the dazzling effect of omniscience.
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    Wow scrabble that! Now I fully understand that compared to the americans knocking down their own buildings this is complete madness, but here mia muca

    http://www.hetechtenieuws.org/2007-04-06.htm

    Haven't read it yet, going to though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Wow scrabble that! Now I fully understand that compared to the americans knocking down their own buildings this is complete madness, but here mia muca

    http://www.hetechtenieuws.org/2007-04-06.htm

    Haven't read it yet, going to though.
    This is just an embellished Dutch copy of the MCC stuff, no?

    Just as I thought. The whole world was involved in the murder plot, the House of Orange, the CIA, the EU Commission, the DEA, the Columbian drug cartels, Europol, the U.S. arms industry, you name it.

    As usual everyone who is any one was in on the operation.
    Only poor Adrian II was out of the loop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II
    As usual everyone who is any one was in on the operation.
    Only poor Adrian II was out of the loop.
    Awwww there will always be a torture hoax to cook up if things move too slowly.

    But welcome to the comfortable warmth of our embrace! All tin-foil hatting aside, if two different types of ammunition were found then the official story is bollox at least, it seems ever more likely that little Volkert worked for the AIVD. We know of the AIVD phone tapping ordered by Klaas de Vries, and we know it is the same Klaas de Vries who refused to give Fortuyn security despite numerous deathtreats. Kinda bad for these democratic tigers of the PVDA had Fortuyn gotten acces to his file

    Incidently,

    http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/2...door_aivd.html

    duck and cover Geertje, seems like phase two is in effect.

    Denkend aan Holland....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    it seems ever more likely that little Volkert* worked for the AIVD**
    How do you know?
    We know of the AIVD phone tapping ordered by Klaas de Vries***
    We know nothing of the kind., The AIVD phone tap on Fortuyn has been denied since 2002 and nothing of the kind has ever been established. If Fortuyn's phone was tapped at all, it was either done by the regional police force (Regionale Inlichtingendienst) or by the shady real-estate characters who dominated his political movement. Some of those were control freaks. Besides, it seems that Fortuyn was susceptible to blackmail because of his 'sexual escapades with Moroccan boys'. In that case the tap would be in his own interest as well as that of the Dutch state since he was a possible future prime minister.

    Legend for non-Dutchmen
    * Fortuyn's (confessed) killer
    ** Dutch secret service
    *** Social-Democrat minister of the Interior during Fortuyn's murder
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    Collumn by, how ironic, Theo van Gogh. Not exactly what I was looking for though.

    http://www.theovangogh.nl/indexc.html

    It stinks

    hmmm links stinks as well.

    ps, it was denied by 'highest authority', that's Klaasie.

    De Moord op Fortuyn en de Kunst van het Liegen

    Op dinsdag 14 mei 2002 zei Frits Wester in het RTL4 Nieuws het volgende over de Commissie van der Haak, die het gebrek aan beveiliging van Pim Fortuyn aan het onderzoeken is: "In de marge van hun onderzoek zullen ze ook proberen een aantal complottheorieën uit te sluiten". Niet onderzoeken, maar uitsluiten dus, als vooropgezet doel. Demissionair minister van Binnenlandse Zaken Klaas De Vries liet eerder weten, dat bij zijn ministerie, de BVD en de Rotterdamse politie 'geen concrete dreiging' bekend was geweest. Een kind kan begrijpen dat dit een leugen van de allergrofste soort is. Alleen al door het feit dat Fortuyn eerder twee taarten gemaakt van stront, pies en braaksel in zijn gezicht had gekregen. Maar Klaas De Vries beheerst de kunst van het liegen tot in de puntjes. Dankzij zijn virtuositeit op dit gebied kon Klaas vaak de Tweede Kamer zand in de ogen strooien. Daarover later meer op deze pagina.
    Ik ben in het bezit van een klein boekje dat met gemak door de heer De Vries geschreven zou kunnen zijn. Het draagt de curieuze titel "De kunst van het liegen" en is gedrukt voor de Britse Voorlichtingsdienst door de Landsdrukkerij te Londen in 1944. Het boekje beschrijft de prestaties van een groot Duits aartsleugenaar uit deze periode. "Er is in de grove leugen altijd iets geloofwaardigs gelegen, omdat de grote massa in een land in haar primitieve eenvoud van geest eerder het slachtoffer van een grote dan van een kleine leugen wordt, aangezien zij zichzelf aan leugens om kleinigheden schuldig maakt, maar zich ervoor zou schamen leugens op grote schaal te debiteren. Het zou nimmer bij haar opkomen enorme onwaarheden te vertellen en zij zou niet willen geloven, dat anderen de brutaliteit zouden hebben de waarheid op zo onbeschaamde wijze te verdraaien", was getekend, A. Hitler.

    Het falen -als het niet erger is- van Klaas De Vries met betrekking tot de beveiliging van Fortuyn is dermate evident, dat een ieder die zitting neemt in een commissie die moet onderzoeken of de minister al dan niet iets te verwijten valt, daardoor al bewijst dat hij niet integer kan zijn. Als Nederland nog een rechtsstaat zou zijn geweest, dan was het onderzoek naar de schandalige tekortkomingen in de beveiliging van Fortuyn ogenblikkelijk in handen gegeven van het openbaar ministerie, om te bezien of de minister van Binnenlandse Zaken of anderen dood door schuld ten laste zou kunnen worden gelegd.
    Ook het feit dat een van de grootste bestuurlijke criminelen van Nederland, mr. R. J. Hoekstra, in de commissie van der Haak zit, bewijst dat hier een schandelijke afdekoperatie wordt uitgevoerd. Hoekstra is namelijk meerde malen door de Tweede Kamer op de vingers getikt, omdat hij archiefmateriaal over de Inlichtingendienst Buitenland en over vuile zaakjes van Lubbers en Kok bewust en volstrekt illegaal door de papiervernietiger heeft gehaald. Hoekstra werd ook door Kok van stal gehaald, om middels een onderzoek à la Van Kemenade de parlementaire enquête Bijlmermeer te voorkomen.
    Tijdens deze enquête viel Hoekstra als een aartsleugenaar door de mand. Helaas past het geheugen van de vaderlandse pers in een halve speldenkop. Of zou het feit dat er geen kritiek komt op de benoeming van Hoekstra iets te maken hebben met het feit dat dit oliemannetje van Kok lid is van het curatorium van het perscentrum Nieuwspoort in Den Haag? Tijdens de parlementaire enquête Bijlmermeer spraken kroongetuigen elkaar op kardinale punten onder ede tegen. Maar niemand werd aangeklaagd wegens meineed. Daarmee werd ook het zwaarste middel tot waarheidsvinding binnen ons politieke bestel een farce. Om maar heel eerlijk tegen u te zijn, ik geef geen cent meer voor deze zogenaamde democratie. Het is gewoon wachten op de grote klap.

    Behalve de verkankering van wat eens een rechtsstaat was, is er nog een oorzaak waardoor de waarheid rondom de moord op Fortuyn wel nooit boven water zal komen, namelijk het feit dat mensen kuddedieren zijn. Hun neuzen staan vrijwel altijd in dezelfde richting. Slechts weinigen hebben de moed om op hun eigen kompas te varen. Wie in dit land ook maar suggereert dat achter de moord op Fortuyn wel eens een politiek complot zou kunnen zitten, wordt keihard uitgelachen en tot complotgek bestempeld. De wijd verbreide opvatting dat complotten in dit land gewoon niet voor komen, vormt nu juist de perfecte voedingsbodem voor samenzweringen, omdat ieder correctiemechanisme daardoor per definitie wordt uitgesloten. Analoog daaraan vormde onze collectieve overtuiging dat politieke moorden in Nederland niet voor komen, de perfecte omstandigheden om er een te plegen.
    Rondom de moord op Fortuyn hebben zich merkwaardige zaken voorgedaan -ook daarover later meer- die wijzen op meerdere betrokkenen. Toch wist justitie zo ongeveer een uur na de moord al te melden, dat Folkert van der G. in zijn eentje opereerde. Als geen ander besef ik, dat complottheorieën bij politieke moorden altijd de kop zullen opsteken, ook als de moordenaar inderdaad een solistisch opererende gek was. Maar dat ontslaat ons niet van de plicht om met een open mind en in volstrekte onafhankelijkheid zo goed mogelijk te onderzoeken wat er nu echt gebeurd is. Maar een dergelijke geestelijke instelling ligt boven polderniveau en lokt een vernietigende reactie uit van alles dat kan afbreken in deze lage landen. Ook in de groep van vijftig rechercheurs die de moord op Pim Fortuyn onderzoeken, zal hetzelfde dodelijke mechanisme zijn werk doen.

    Bijgaand treft u het artikel van Henk Rijkers uit het Katholiek Nieuwsblad van 24 mei 2002. Wat mij betreft verdient Henk de Pulitzer prijs voor zijn stuk. Niet zozeer voor de inhoud, maar voor zijn open mind, zijn moed en zijn liefde voor de waarheid. Helaas is KN niet meer in de kiosk te verkrijgen. Dat is doodzonde, want ze is samen met deze site zo ongeveer het enige nog echt onafhankelijke medium in dit land. Via www.katholieknieuwsblad.nl kunt u een abonnement nemen. Ik roep de lezers van deze site op om dat te doen. Ook als u geen katholiek bent en zelfs als u pertinent geen katholiek zou willen zijn. Met deze oproep dien ik geen enkel commercieel doel, maar probeer ik alleen nog iets te redden van de persvrijheid in dit land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Collumn by, how ironic, Theo van Gogh. Not exactly what I was looking for though.

    http://www.theovangogh.nl/indexc.html

    It stinks
    What column?
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    Fragony, where did hear about the discovery of this 5.56 round? I haven't followed the news(blogs) that well lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenring
    Fragony, where did hear about the discovery of this 5.56 round? I haven't followed the news(blogs) that well lately.
    Somewhere in the reactions at Geenstijl, I know as much as you do. Gonna buy the book tommorow.

    http://www.hetechtenieuws.org/2007-04-06.htm

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    Well, that old column doesn't tell us anything.

    Nor does the book which you refer to. It is published under the name of a 70-year-old actress named Ine Veen, but is is most probably written by her partner Jean Thomassen since Thomassen does all the interviews about the book and Veen shuns all publicity (I just called the editor at Aspekt, Perry Pierik, and he admitted as much). The duo are adding to their meagre pension by selling terrible holistic paintings and organising 'channelling sessions'. Local romour has it the woman is not compos mentis and Thomassen is exploiting her name and career as an artist. Recent tax fraud completes the picture.

    The book itself is just a rehash of the five year old Internet conspiracy stuff I mentioned (the spectacular MCC-claim about a 'worldwide plot against Fortuyn') plus one fake 'police report' that says two types of slug were found at the crime site. Meh. Just another attempt to make money out of the affair. Fortuyn is long dead, so are his two-bit political views; only his death won't die..
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    What do you mean his policy's died, it's basicly copy paste. Frankly I don't buy the global conspiracy stuff, but there really isn't anything I won't believe when it comes from the left since the torture hoax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    What do you mean his policy's died, it's basicly copy paste.
    Well, what policies did we paste? Did we opt out of the Joint Strike Fighter? Adopt smaller school classes? Declare a general amnesty for asylumseekers? Stimulate small businesses? Change our tax regime? Opt out of the EU Treaty? Forget it.
    Frankly I don't buy the global conspiracy stuff, but there really isn't anything I won't believe when it comes from the left since the torture hoax.
    Keep em coming, I like a good laugh about old baldy now and then.
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    Oh besides the torture hoax you mean? You know it, I know it. You know it for sure.

    How about Wilders being a spy for the Israeli's, they sure know how to moblilise them don't they.

    But, about copy paste: generaal pardon, spreiding witte/zwarte wijken, spreiding zwart/witte scholen om er een paar te noemen die zo trots op het programma staan, but before Fortuyn what's in black and white huh, stab them and all that flows is red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    But, about copy paste: generaal pardon, spreiding witte/zwarte wijken, spreiding zwart/witte scholen om er een paar te noemen
    Yeah right, even in your own town of Amersfoort the 'spreiding'* of school pupils started in 1999, two years before baldy went into politics. He took that idea from others, not the other way round.

    And no one has ever heard anything about the rest of his famous 'ideas' again after May 6, 2002. The reason is he didn't have any.

    Fortuyn's program was a mad hodge-podge of ideas that would never fit together and would have never worked out in government. In fact when the time came to govern, all his party did was squabble over personal issues. Oh, and over the huge debt let behind by the great leader whose entire campaign had been financed by his real-estate buddy Ed Maas. In a sense that was a personal issue, too..

    The only Fortuynesque sentiment that persists today is a public aversion to Islam. It runs deeper and is more radical than Fortuyn ever advocated. None of his self-appointed heirs so much as refers to any other thought the big leader may have had. Entire episodes have been completely forgotten.

    Which makes me wonder.

    Do you recall that in his election platform Fortuyn proposed to completely scrap the army and air force and keep only the navy. "All we will have left is a few boats," he said. That is the reason why Fortuyn was against the Dutch puchase of (or participation in) the Joint Strike Fighter. Without an air force you don't need a figher, right?

    However, shortly before his death Fortuyn met with American ambassador George Sobel and several Dutch air force brass who convinced him that joining the JSF would be a good idea after all. Fortuyn imediately gave a newspaper interview where he stated that he would accept the JSF, and on the morning of his death he emphatically confirmed this in a radio interview.

    So I wonder what the conseqence would have been. Was F. suddenly in favour of maintaining a Dutch air force after all, including a JSF capability?

    And I wonder about the sudden change. Was he blackmailed by Sobel? By this time Fortuyn was open to blackmail by so many people I wouldn't be surprised if Sobel had the goods on him as well. It's amazing, if you listen to the May 6th radio interview you are struck by the resolute tone when he sais he would buy the JSF no matter what, and the Americans wouldn't have to worry about a thing...


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