A Petition To Reverse Abuse

**Vuk** · 05-07-2007, 17:58

Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot

My most sincere apologies should you saw it that way Vuk, yet it was aimed at nobody in particular - more at everybody who may have been posting, or thinking about posting, within this thread, aiming to prevent them from causing offence towards you or others. Sorry again.

Omanes, my comments were obviously in jest, I do not see how they could have been taken any differently. I have no quarrel with you and don't remember ever having one. I am sorry if I made you believe that such exists between us. Whenm there is a subject that I am hot on, I vent by resorting to humor. :P

Such as my defense of my use of animal (while I still do not officially deny that I meant it in an inoccent way, I am just talking about my WAY of defending it. ;)).

I like the ORG (and most Orgahs), and generally try to avoid any trouble. (though if someone throws it into my face, I somtimes throw it back

) I certainly do not make it a habit of randomly starting fights with members who post in my thread. ;)

Sorry that I was taken the wrong way, and I will say now that much of what I say on the Org is in jest, so don't jump at everything I say. ;) Just so you know. ;)

Vuk

**Ser Clegane** · 05-07-2007, 18:47

Some (probably final) comments on this whole issue to provide some additional perspective.

Yesterday, while the discussion in this thread was running a new account has been opened under the username Muhammad

This new account was (ab)used to spam the Entrance Hall with several posts that were obviously meant to slander the religion of other patrons (the comments in the profile alone should emphasize this point).
After several warnings the account was temprarily banned and can currently not be used to make further posts.
Given the timing of the posts of this account and the content of posts and profile which are in line with the posts that received the warning we are discussing here I, personally, come to the conclusion the the starter of this thread wanted to give another example of this:

Originally Posted by Vuk

I was rationally discussing religion using fact, not flaming or insulting.

So to summarize:
1) A patron gets warned for making offensive and slandering posts and subsequently gets his Backroom access removed.
2) The patron contests the warning, asserting that he is not insulting or flaming - just stating "facts" and the "truth"
3) The patron is questioning the integrity of a staff member by accusing him of lying and abusing his power - accusations that have not been backed up, even after being asked for it
4) While the discussion is going on a second account starts to spam the EH with offensive posts.

I think I have seen enough to feel comfortable with the decision to keep the access of the thread starter to the Backroom blocked.
The Muhammad account will be permanently blocked - further steps are under consideration (e.g., transferring any awards and warning points the Muhammad account accumulated to the primary account of the user as good housekeeping would demand).

Thank you

I hope at least some people enjoyed this soap opera

**Vuk** · 05-07-2007, 18:53

I am off to class now. I will reply to this when I am back. There is something I have to add to this thread that you may want to hear, so perhaps you should keep it open for a little while longer.

Vuk

**Omanes Alexandrapolites** · 05-07-2007, 19:12

Vuk, I have tried to avoid stating this previously - the inability to edit posts in this forum has prevented me mostly as, if I were to later decide that it was a bad idea I would not be able to edit it out. I'm sorry to inform you of this matter, but I think that is may be something which you may wish to take note of.

This may sound obvious, and I apologise if it insults you, yet, on the internet, when posting, nobody can see your facial expressions, your tone of voice nor can they interpret your body language. This means that the people reading your posts cannot always interpret them the way you meant them to be interpreted. This means that certain jokes, here the word "joke" means something that is not supposed to be, through your eyes, taken too seriously or may have a double meaning, could be interpreted as being serious. This can conclude in warnings, bans and other such nasty measures which are not exactly positive in your eyes, as demonstrated within this thread.

So, may I suggest that you imagine that all your posts are taken for their literal meaning, everything is taken seriously, and before calling somebody/someone any names, you consider what their multiple meanings may be, should they have any to avoid any offence that may be caused towards others.

My sincere apologies for pointing this matter out.

BTW, TosaInu, if you think this is a little harsh or incorrect please may I request that you remove it. Thanks.