Australian man extradited to the US for copyright infringement

[sapi]

Australian man extradited to the US for copyright infringement

A nation giving up its citizens after a charge of copyright infringement which could have easily been tried under its own laws?

The accused facing a penalty worse than that of rape?

It's like the Australian govt.'s attitude to David Hicks again, this time in reverse....

[naut]

That's rubbish, he shouldn't be able to be tried in the US. He should be tried here! That's why I'm never giving up my British citizenship because I know if I get in trouble the Australian government won't help me at all.

Funny story, when I went to get my citizenship the interviewer told me my major rights and responsibilities that came along with the citizenship. She said if I ever required assistance while overseas the Government would do its best to assist. To which I replied, "Yeah, just like your doing for David Hicks." She didn't look to happy then.

[R'as al Ghul]

But Drink or Die's activities did cost American companies money — an estimated $US50 million ($A60 million), if legal sales were substituted for illegal downloads undertaken through Drink or Die.

I think this is purely hypothetical. The American companies have no way to prove that this is true.
If this was true the total sales numbers would most probably be way higher than ever before in their whole business history. (There was a study that showed that sales for CD's where at an all time high during the reign of Kazaa)
To convict him on the base of this speculation does seem disproportional. Especially when compared with the penalty for rape.

R'as

[KukriKhan]

British-based members of Drink or Die were reportedly tried in Britain.

So this Aussie member (leader?) of a team of code-crackers getting extradited is a precedent-setter. I have discomfort with this.

Maybe all will be made well next month at his sentencing. He's already done 3 years in Oz jail, and 3-4 months in Virginia. Sentence him to 'time served' and fly him back home.

In the bigger picture, this precedent, if pursued, had best be reciprocal - US stealers of Aussie intellectual property being shipped to Oz to face charges.

[naut]

In the bigger picture, this precedent, if pursued, had best be reciprocal - US stealers of Aussie intellectual property being shipped to Oz to face charges.

Wouldn't be that bad I guess, our prisons aren't as notorious as yours, nor our sentences as long.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Looks like someone is being made an example. When sentenced, where will he serve his time, US or Oz? Hope it's Oz, the commute for family visits to the US would be a real hardship. The OZ sentence for rape seems curiously light imo. I wonder what the sentence is for intellectual property theft? Whatever it is, that should be his sentence, which as Kukri stated, most likely time served.

[Husar]

So he stole software from US companies and as a punishment, he gets a free visit to the US? Including free flight, free lodging, free food.
If they wouldn't lock the door behind me, I'd take that even without stealing anything.
Seriously, he stole from the US and now the US pays a lot of money to charge him with the crime instead of letting Australia do that for them?
I can understand that in certain emotional cases or so, but this is mostly about money, so why pay even more?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

No problem with the extradition as far as I can tell.

I agree that Australia should have the right for quid-pro-quo on similar issues.

We really need to go after the Chinese intellectual piracy if we're going to make a significant example though.

[Papewaio]

In the bigger picture, this precedent, if pursued, had best be reciprocal - US stealers of Aussie intellectual property being shipped to Oz to face charges.

If it is reciprocal and with similar charges then it isn't to big an issue.

So how many copies of MTW2 does someone need to pirate to get sent here I wonder?

As for per capita crime rates...apart from murder which tends to be more clear cut... rape and other crimes may not translate as well because of:
1) Number reported.
2) Definition of rape (something that is sexual assault in one country may be rape in another)

I do agree that rape sentences should be increased... but there is a (small) danger that a (serial) rapist might just murder his victims and dump there bodies as the jump from rape to murder will be tiny as a sentence while the chances of getting caught decrease... a dead person is not about to front up to a police station.

IMDHO, I think the minimum sentence for rape should be the length of time it would take is from conception to adulthood in the nation so a sentence from 16 to 22 years depending on the definition of adulthood in the locale. It just seems a basis to take a criminal out of circulation for the amount of time that the inverse (a good parent) would be at a minimum raising a child... even if the rapist does not get the victim pregnant I think it has a nice minimum feel to it.

As for a planned murder, I say at least 35 years (half of 3 score and ten).

[sapi]

As for a planned murder, I say at least 35 years (half of 3 score and ten).

Which makes it all the more disgraceful that those two girls only got a minimum of 15