the get screwed formula

[RomanMe]

Hello all, i just want to see if I am crazy or not...

I LOVED, LOVED RTW, but after the 3rd patch and the creative buyout I noticed that the game was redically different. Speciffically it seemed like at ceratin points the game would go instantly down hill. You know cities would riot for no reason, you would all of a sudden start loosing money, your best generals would die by an act of god, the smalest insignifigant army wantd 200000 denari to be bribed... etc.



I just started playing MTW2 and omg... The get screwed forumla in this game is so out of control, I don't even want to play the game. Out of nowhere I have heretics, inquisitors, fleets that magically appear to block my ports, all my cities riot.. etc it's is ridiculous.

The game cheats so much, there is almost no reason not to cheat myself, or even no reason to play cause all the fun gets emoved. It's like they decided to make the game annoying rather than challenging.

This is on the easiest mode btw.

Is there anyway to get around this nonsense?

[Shahed]

Hi and Welcome !

Yes, you have to install a plethora of mods if you don't enjoy vanilla (like I don't) check the D/L section (<-link) and try the files section at TWC. (<-link) You may have to try mixing and matching a few mods. Good news is that it's not that hard. Once you've got it as you like it, it's better than RTW (IMO). Good luck !

[Nebuchadnezzar]

yes, unfortunately the game relies heavily on annoyances rather than difficuly to play which I presume is to compensate for the inadequacies of the AI. I particularly get annoyed with what I imagine is a deliberate delay for cav to react when issuing orders and their tendencies to split apart and become magnetically attracted to any nearby inf.

There is no way around this unfortunately. Do you have 1.2 patch? This fixes a quite a few bugs including nerfing inquisators. Again, unfortunately not many of the annoyances.

Oh dear, so many unfortnates!

[TevashSzat]

From your post, it seems that the games seemed alot harder to you and you lost a campaign or two. First, remember to have up to 1.2 patch and remember, the two games are different and that there are different game mechanics to each

[Durallan]

I guess not everyone can have fun with M2TW. In my experience I have had alot of fun and has been great to play all the way through, even with some of the bugs that were in 1.0.

[Shahed]

When I said mods I also meant ALL those that are in your sig. So I should say mods + fixes, to be precise.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Thought I might add that I doubt loosing a campaign is likely in M2TW especially for someone who has played RTW. I'm 100 turns into a HRE campaign and these are the annoyances I've seen so far.

Keep getting the blockade Caen port mission even though I fail everytime. Since the English have a huge fleet of at least 4 nearly full stacks patrolling the area I don't even try. 4 out of the 5 missions were in a row. How annoying not to get another type of mission!

100 turns into the campaign and no crusade! 4 or was it 5 times in a row the pope dies and crusade cancelled all within 3 turns of a crusade being called. How bloody annoying. Will I ever see the Holy city FFS.

recruited 40+ merchants and none have survived more than 4 turns in the wild. Ok, I did try to transport 6 across to Africa from Ajaccio but my 6 stack cog got surrounded by enemy ships which weren't even allied and sunk in one hit (remeber this happening in RTW). Cheating, damn I wish I had naval engagements going in my favour like that. How annoying.

Am I the only one getting this type of nonsense. Not even considering diplomacy or AI.

Other than traits all this is mostly hardcoded and can't be modded AFAIK

[Razor1952]

Hello all, i just want to see if I am crazy or not...

I LOVED, LOVED RTW, but after the 3rd patch and the creative buyout I noticed that the game was redically different. Speciffically it seemed like at ceratin points the game would go instantly down hill. You know cities would riot for no reason, you would all of a sudden start loosing money, your best generals would die by an act of god, the smalest insignifigant army wantd 200000 denari to be bribed... etc.



I just started playing MTW2 and omg... The get screwed forumla in this game is so out of control, I don't even want to play the game. Out of nowhere I have heretics, inquisitors, fleets that magically appear to block my ports, all my cities riot.. etc it's is ridiculous.

The game cheats so much, there is almost no reason not to cheat myself, or even no reason to play cause all the fun gets emoved. It's like they decided to make the game annoying rather than challenging.

This is on the easiest mode btw.

Is there anyway to get around this nonsense?

Hi there , I'm sorry you're experiences isn't like mine. I'm having the best fun of any of the totalwar series, and this is because there are many balanced strategy decisions to be made, to me any way that is the essence of a good strategy game.

Sure it isn't perfect , but then how could it be?. As long as CA/Sega continue to improve the games I'll be happy.

On a specific note human economic management is way ahead of the ai, inquisitors, assassins/ spies/ all have strategic counters. The only point I'd agree is the bribing bit (though I haven't extensively tested the new patch here with a high level diplomat).

On to the game cheating , well the ai sure needs it to compete though any advantage here is probably unintentional in the vanilla game. many mods are now incorporating specific extra help for the ai to make it more competitive with a competent human player.

[Didz]

The game cheats so much, there is almost no reason not to cheat myself, or even no reason to play cause all the fun gets emoved. It's like they decided to make the game annoying rather than challenging.

If you think MTW2 is bad try playing 'Crown and Glory' its just a joke. You spend hours carefully nurturing your economy and raising your army and when at last you get the chance to use it the programmer jumps in with a bit of arbitary code that forces your army to rout without even being in contact with the enemy or your country to surrender before your army even gets into battle.

The other classic game gathering dust on my shelf is 'Uncommon Valour' where the player gets to spend hours doing menial tasks like loading cans of spam onto transports, but isn't allowed to command his own troops when the enemy appears.

A sort of 'slave to the AI' concept going on in both those games.