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    Smile Re: What goverment system

    I think you do get companion cav actualy, but the best way to experiment is to save the game and then use add_money, macedon 40000 and process_cq "Serdike" to find out what ou rercuitment options are.

    P.S. A little tip: take Tylis and build a type 4, and then the highest regional mic gives you a brilliant selection of troops; thrakain prodromoi, thrakian peltastai, galatikoi Kuarathoroi (S.P.) galatakoi kuldargon, laosate, and of course, taxeis triabolloi.
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    From description I assume he means province Dardanoia.

    This are exact recruitment possibilities for this province.

    Akontistai Complex:11 Level:1
    Taxeis Phalangitai Complex:11 Level:2
    Sphendonetai Complex:11 Level:2
    Thraikioi Hippeis Complex:11 Level:3
    Thraikioi Prodromoi Complex:11 Level:4
    Thraikioi Peltastai Complex:11 Level:4
    Taxeis Triballoi Complex:25 Level:4
    Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi Complex:11 Level:4
    Hypaspistai Complex:11 Level:5
    11 is Native Complex number for Macedonia.
    25 is Regional Complex number.

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    As a rule build the highest government you can in homland and subjugation provinces. Anywhere else build a type 4, especially as Makedonia.
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    Thnks for all the replies.

    LorDBula, where did you get all that code btw, i think i would be able to find out more abt the recruitment through the code.

    Calicvla, thnks for the advice but at the start one of the subjugation provinces as type III gov, is it advisable to bring it down and construct type II? Is somewhere above sparta I think.

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    Im Corithos infact. Yes it is advisable, as soon as your finances are stable, as Macedonia's type 3 gives such huge public order problems.
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    Thnks for the fast reply. But Pharnakes, wouldnt it be a waste to have type IV gov in Tylis. It has homeland resource and is one of the further away province which means easier to get factional high MIC units across right?

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    LorDBula, where did you get all that code btw, i think i would be able to find out more abt the recruitment through the code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leoforce
    Thnks for the fast reply. But Pharnakes, wouldnt it be a waste to have type IV gov in Tylis. It has homeland resource and is one of the further away province which means easier to get factional high MIC units across right?
    It's up to you, off course, but you can already recruit factional troops in Pella, Demetrias and Serdike, as well as the two Epirote cities, whereas Tylis and Kallatis are the only nearby towns where you can recruit Celts. A type IV governement in Tylis also gives acces to several Thracian units.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LorDBulA
    From description I assume he means province Dardanoia.

    This are exact recruitment possibilities for this province.


    Akontistai Complex:11 Level:1
    Taxeis Phalangitai Complex:11 Level:2
    Sphendonetai Complex:11 Level:2
    Thraikioi Hippeis Complex:11 Level:3
    Thraikioi Prodromoi Complex:11 Level:4
    Thraikioi Peltastai Complex:11 Level:4
    Taxeis Triballoi Complex:25 Level:4
    Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi Complex:11 Level:4
    Hypaspistai Complex:11 Level:5


    11 is Native Complex number for Macedonia.
    25 is Regional Complex number.
    Hmmm, I can recruit Pheraspidai there, what's wrong? I have 0.81, applied a couple of different fixes for both 0.81 and 0.81a. Could that be the reason or did you change the recruitment zone for Pheraspidai in 0.81a?

    I can basically recruit Pheraspidai in every province where I can recruit Hypaspistai (and I think it makes sense), which I can recruit in all Homeland provinces.

    This came to my mind when I took a look at Arkatreides' recruitment zone cards, and realized that Pheraspidai are less recruitable than Hypaspistai, according to his cards.

    So, one of us is wrong. Perhaps you've had an recruitment accident?

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    I can basically recruit Pheraspidai in every province where I can recruit Hypaspistai (and I think it makes sense), which I can recruit in all Homeland provinces.
    Well if You moded it or play different version then 0.81a then everything is possible.
    What I and Arkatreides is showing is latest ( 0.81a ) setup.
    And You can recruit Pheraspidai in 6 province ( 0.81a ) and Dardanoia is not one of those provinces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LorDBulA
    Well if You moded it or play different version then 0.81a then everything is possible.
    What I and Arkatreides is showing is latest ( 0.81a ) setup.
    And You can recruit Pheraspidai in 6 province ( 0.81a ) and Dardanoia is not one of those provinces.
    No, I didn't mod anything. For the fixes, I just overwrote files with the files in the fixes. I never opened them. And it was so even before I applied these fixes. When you changed this in 0.81a, you should really change it back because it doesn't make much sense in my opinion to be able to recruit Hypaspistai, but not Pheraspidai...

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    Wow, thnks for all the replies.

    Hmm, after looking at the map again, yea seems good to have a type four gov there as I can recruit most of my factional elites in my capital and those with homeland resource near to my capital.

    Agrianians seems to have a longer range of javalin with higher damage but have one less javalin when compared to Taxeis Triballo. But Agrianians have A/P axe while Taxeis Triballo have a higher lethality sword.

    For my calculations, I assume A/P would neglect only armour and not the whole defense. So for example if A/P Sling were to hit a unit from the front, the skill, shield and mass is only calculated. But if it hits behind the unit, everything is neglected. So Agrianians are surely superb backstabbers.

    Another question, if you manage to bribe another general for example a Greek general while playing as Macedons, would you have spartan hoplites as this bribed gen or they are changed to heavy calvary?

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    AP just halves the armour value.
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    Default Re: What goverment system

    Quote Originally Posted by leoforce
    Another question, if you manage to bribe another general for example a Greek general while playing as Macedons, would you have spartan hoplites as this bribed gen or they are changed to heavy calvary?
    They will have your faction's default bodyguard.


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