If it doesn't, it should.
If it doesn't, it should.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
It doesn't, and I don't think it should either.
The way mercenaries were hired wasn't by going to the local pub... Some mercs were little but brigands and thieves, but most of them were nobles(their commanders, that is).
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
FYI the knights and squires that led mercenary companies were as much thieves as the pillars under their command who actually stole livestock and extorted patis from hapless peasants. The fact that the leaders merely organised such armed criminality but did not carry it out themselves didn't make them any less thieves.
Last edited by Furious Mental; 05-12-2007 at 05:42.
Disagree, and incorrect about most of them being nobles.Originally Posted by HoreTore
About the medieval mercs, a few were of the nobility, but most were simply professionals who decided to lend their services to the highest bidder. Also, they were historically linked to areas that were often troubled and in conflict. France during the 100 years war and Flanders in general come to mind as merc hotspots. The italian city-states also would often hire out chunks of their then-superior navies to other nations or individuals for the right price as well.
Disagree that the brothels shouldn't affect respawn rates, I actually think that's a kewl idea. The old MTW system wasn't that good IMO, I think RTW and M2TW do a much better job of it. Don't know exactly how it'd be implemented, but I still think it's not a bad idea at all, if implemented in a sane manner.
That's kinda like saying a mortician is historically linked to tragedies isn't it ? Mercenaries go where they're gonna get paid, what use is a merc in peacetime ? So of course, they would flock to wherever there was constant strife.Originally Posted by Whacker
But I'll grant you that most mercenary companies were troublemakers, cutthroats etc..., comes with the territory. It's probably one of the meanest and most cynical business I could think of, that and prostitution... Oh, and marketing, of course.
Anything wrong ? Blame it on me. I'm the French.
Don't forget game development. Man, those game developers are some of the meanest, most cynical S.O.B.'s you're ever likely to meet! I keep expecting Caliban to show up in one of these threads and start slitting throats and hoisting the jolly roger.Originally Posted by Kobal2fr
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Well, we seem to focus on different areas of europe :POriginally Posted by Whacker
In Spain, lords(like El Cid) frequently hired out their services both to the spanish kings and moorish sultans.
The Varangian Guard was composed of nobles, even a king.
The various tribes the Byzantines hired were usually led by their chieftain, a noble of some sort.
In Italy, the condottiere were usually nobles, even princes.
But whether noble or not, mercenaries weren't recruited at a tavern.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
In historical texts, it is true that most Mercenary groups, certinaly a very high percentage, where leed by nobles.
For several reasons.
In the Age, not everyone could read and write. Contracts needed sometimes, to be between people of note and status. Something to do with honour, and of equal birth.
Also, most 2nd or 3rd or 4th sons' left home in this fashion to see their future in far away lands. or near lands.
Being younger son's of nobles, they could fight, had (as the age dictated) been trained from a young age to fight.
Therefore made perfect mercenaries.
The pronaioi of the Comensus era, were a large part of this.
The Wests and easts, Younger son's, settled in the frontier regions with the right to tax, and duty to protect; And be ready to provide Knight's fees, to the Emporer, just as the west did.
Sounds like a win win to me. Also has down sides.
But yes it is true, so to speak ...90% of the time, Nobles leed bonded groups of merc's, and it is not un-usual for them to discipline their men for offense as they did pride themselves on being professionals.
More often than not, it was the actually titled nobles troops that are the worsted offenders of wrongs.
Tho, not all the timesome nobles were not always noble shall we say.
fenir
Time is but a basis for measuring Susscess. Fenir Nov 2002.
Mr R.T.Smith > So you going to Charge in the Brisbane Office with your knights?.....then what?
fenir > hmmmm .....Kill them, kill them all.......let sega sort them out.
Well thats it, 6 years at university, 2 degrees and 1 post grad diploma later OMG! I am so Anal!
I should have been a proctologist! Not an Accountant......hmmmmm maybe some cross over there?
Exactly. Anyone who owned land, or whose family had at some point, was a "nobleman". Doesn't mean he can't be a drunk murderous whoremonger as well :)
In fact, these days I'm reading the semi-historical serie of novels called "The Accursed Kings", books dealing with the events in France which led up to the 100 yrs War ; and they paint a very dismal portrait of the French nobility (that is, real nobility, not merc's : the King's own court) at the time... And they were written by a French historian who'd become Ministre de la Culture down the road, so you can't really blame nationalistic/historical bias there![]()
Last edited by Kobal2fr; 05-12-2007 at 16:28.
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