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    Default Thanks a lot, unions

    Ah, American Unions. Especially gov't unions (like the highest paid teacher's in WA state going on strike for more money.)

    Some just add hugely to the cost of living.

    The bus driver's union in Seattle is partially responsible for the death of a man.

    Sandy Olosky, Metro Bus driver in Seattle. She has 25 complaints dating to 1997 for reckless driving, and an additional 24+ complaints for being rude to passengers.

    She was actually fired in 2005, and had that stuck, another man would've been alive today. But her union and its arbitrator saved her job and she returned to driving buses. Then, this April, her bus struck and killed Michael Dahlquist in his car. One passenger said the bus was going to fast to avoid a collision.

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    So your blaming all unions for one drivers mistake? Seems a little broad.
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    Default Re: Thanks a lot, unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Destroyer of Hope
    So your blaming all unions for one drivers mistake? Seems a little broad.
    In fairness to CR, he's blaming the transportation union for keeping an unsafe driver on the road. And then, yeah, he expands to curse all unions everywhere, but give the man some credit. At least he's basing his criticism on a concrete example. That alone makes his post above-average for our beloved Backroom.

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    Default Re: Thanks a lot, unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    In fairness to CR, he's blaming the transportation union for keeping an unsafe driver on the road. And then, yeah, he expands to curse all unions everywhere, but give the man some credit. At least he's basing his criticism on a concrete example. That alone makes his post above-average for our beloved Backroom.
    He also mentioned teacher's unions. If you want to attack unions you don't need to go any further than those. Of course, the bus driver sounds as though she's another example of incompetent employees being protected by a union.

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    They served a purpose, but it seems like it's long since passed.

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    Default Re: Thanks a lot, unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    I'm glad you are laughing Tribesman. I've seen unions first hand contribute to the destruction of my state economy.

    Unions are needed, to an extent. It's getting absolutely ridiculous.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    They served a purpose, but it seems like it's long since passed.
    Instead of their primary function, within the U.S., being a tool for the worker their only evolution has been to becoming a tool of the politicians. I've know a lot of local union leaders at different stages of my life and the protection of the worker is definately not their primary concern anymore. With exceptions the primary goal of the union leadership and those who gain their political favor has largely become the protection of their own station with little regard for the reality of the worker. I've personally seen instances and heard about others who when recognized as refusing political contribution to the union's campaign of choice were squeezed out of employment with high efficiency.
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    Default Re: Thanks a lot, unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    He also mentioned teacher's unions. If you want to attack unions you don't need to go any further than those.
    Are you kidding? Seriously? Because teachers are some of the most underpaid people I can think off offhand. Disclaimer: My wife is a teacher. Further, we live in North Carolina, where unions are illegal. They do have this "organization" that's a pseudo-union, and it's done a lot of good for them so far. The state recently voted to increase teacher pay across the board by about 5%, and I can tell you it was much needed. The cost of living around here isn't too bad depending on where you are, but we still have some friends that she works with who still eat ramen on a regular basis and are under piles of debt for school loans.

    They served a purpose, but it seems like it's long since passed.
    Bah, I think there's still some validity to them. I think that there are some unions associated with certain industries that do generally deserve the reputation more than others, but by and large people tend to see a few instanes of "union abuse" and suddenly decry them all as useless and corrupt. Further I think those who think that their use "has long since passed" are wearing extremely rose tinted glasses if they don't think that (big) business would squeeze the life out of it's employees if it could. They already arguably do this. My best friend is a pilot, some of the stories he has told me absolutely chill my blood. Short version is just be extremely thankful for the FAA and pilot unions, because if they didn't exist and lay down those large number of requirements that governs pilot working hours and downtime, the airlines would be forcing (and have tried to make) pilots work insane hours that go far beyond what would be safe. Imagine how many truck accidents there are each year from truckers falling asleep... now apply this to commercial jets.

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    Unions are NOT obsolete in any way. The problem with the unions in the US is that they are extraordinarily weak. They are complete pushovers compared to what a union should be capable of.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Default Re: Thanks a lot, unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    They served a purpose, but it seems like it's long since passed.
    What a load. Unions are very nessisary. My mom is an EPA. Which is a fancy title for special needs child wrangler (and I do mean wrangler depending on the kid you get). And over the last few years the school board has tried to change her job from a mostly full time contracted salaried one to mostly part time casual one. To save money ofcourse. If an EPA is part time they can turf them easily and move them around. Her union is all that has stopped this from happening.


    Here's another story about unions. From the local hippie rag (IE free news paper)
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    Your bosses are being jerks. You're feeling exploited, overworked and underpaid. You'd like to quit, but can't afford to and besides, you actually love your job and the city where you work. Your last resort? Join your fellow workers and hit the bricks to get a fair contract. That's what 600 IWK health care professionals did last week when they walked off the job seeking the same benefits as their counterparts at the QE II hospital down the street. Of course, as union president Joan Jessome points out, the IWK is a children's hospital while the QE II serves adults. "I've heard this so many times," Jessome says. "You work for children and that's a calling, so you should work for less."

    The IWK strike lasted only one day. But it put pressure on the hospital and the provincial government to agree to the union's proposal for binding mediation, a process sometimes referred to as "baseball bargaining" because it's used to set major league players' salaries. If the two sides can't negotiate a contract, the mediator chooses one or the other of their final offers. That encourages both to compromise because the mediator will likely select the more reasonable offer. In this case, the health professionals got only part of what they wanted, but more than the IWK and the province had been willing to give. "I'm OK with the outcome," Jessome says. "But I'm not jumping for joy."

    The outcome of the IWK dispute is obviously important to union members because they're getting more money, better benefits and moving a step closer to parity with their professional colleagues at other Halifax hospitals. But it's just as significant for the rest of us because it will help the IWK retain the highly-trained physiotherapists, lab technologists, social workers, biomedical engineers and respiratory therapists that every modern hospital depends on. It will also make it easier for the IWK to recruit professionals at a time when hospitals in other provinces and the US are competing for skilled staff.

    Unfortunately though, the positive aspects of the settlement seemed to get lost in the media hysteria surrounding the one-day strike. Both Halifax papers condemned the workers after the hospital cancelled 59 surgeries and 474 outpatient appointments. The Daily News accused the union of using children as "bargaining chips," as though the IWK and the province bore no responsibility for the breakdown in talks. "For me, this is the bottom line," DN columnist David Rodenhiser huffed, "making children endure discomfort, fear and pain as a way to achieve contract concessions is unconscionable." Rodenhiser called on the province to ban health care strikes, a call echoed by the Herald's Marilla Stephenson. She predicted that Tories and Liberals will join forces in the legislature this fall to "make it so." Maybe, maybe not. When premier John Hamm tried it six years ago, nurses and other health workers threatened to resign en masse, the public supported the nurses and the government had to back down. It's hard to see why Rodney MacDonald would want to follow in Hamm's faltering footsteps, especially when last week's strike quickly led to a contract that's fair to workers and taxpayers and that helps protect the IWK's competitive position and quality of care. Besides, MacDonald's government already has plenty of power without banning the right to strike. For one thing, it can bring in back-to-work legislation to end any strike that seems to endanger people's lives.

    Perhaps it's too much to expect newspaper commentators to write about Canada's labour relations system in a fair and balanced way. As in the IWK strike, they usually side with employers and condemn workers for going on strike to fight for fair wages and benefits. But who would you rather support, front-line health professionals who provide care for hundreds of sick children every day or the administrators and politicians who sit in their offices courting the media and counting loonies?


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    Default Re: Thanks a lot, unions

    I'm glad you are laughing Tribesman.
    Good, I'm happy I made you glad .
    you gotta admit it though , this......They served a purpose, but it seems like it's long since passed.
    ...is a very funny statement .

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