Thanks a lot, unions

[Tribesman]

For those that think unions are weak in the United States do a little checking into the craft unions for the railroad. The union efforts are not as weak as you would like to think.

Woohoo
But of course the craft unions must keep it real in their negotiations , no profit=no jobs .
The silly Limerick idiot we have down here forgot about that an screwed the union , but the developers (those that went for the short term fix)in screwing the union have irreconcialably screwed themselves .
Unionsare a funny ting , you need a strong leadership , but youndon't want a leadership that thinks its strength can push anything throuigh .
Sensibkle compromise is the key on both soides

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Woohoo
But of course the craft unions must keep it real in their negotiations , no profit=no jobs...

You'd think that would be pretty basic to the whole thing wouldn't you.

While a number of unions in the USA do function as Redleg outlines (hopefully a majority), we also have others who negotiate while almost completely clueless as to the specifics of cost/profit margins of the company with whom they are negotiating. They look at the raw profit number and say we want more -- and sadly don't have any expertise beyond that to bring to the table.

[Tribesman]

You'd think that would be pretty basic to the whole thing wouldn't you.

yeah thats what strikes me about Goofs post .he talks of the union getting a worse deal than he gets .....the union deal sets the minimum deal ,after that it is up to the individual and the emplyer . I am getting at the moment 4X union rate