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    Harbinger of the Doomed Rat Member Biggus Diccus's Avatar
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    Default Question about units that use both spear and sword.

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    Is it possible to make units that have sword primary/spear secondary to deploy with spear defensively to get the braced bonuses? And in what situations should I have them use spear or sword (I know about ALT+right-click). Is it just as simple as sword vs infantry and spear vs cavalry, or is there som other hidden bonuses apart from attack value? Like attack speed or lethality for the different weapons?
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    Default Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    At least for cavalry, spear/lance/whatever is usually best for charging while swords are better for continued melee fighting. But you can take a look at the stats yourself in the unit cards here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=70
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    Default Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    Is it possible to make units that have sword primary/spear secondary to deploy with spear defensively to get the braced bonuses? And in what situations should I have them use spear or sword (I know about ALT+right-click). Is it just as simple as sword vs infantry and spear vs cavalry, or is there som other hidden bonuses apart from attack value? Like attack speed or lethality for the different weapons?
    There are several sword/spear Infantry units in EB (Solduros, Hypaspistai, Gastiz...), but i don't know how the bonusses for them work.


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    Default Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    do Hypaspistai use spears by default or swords?

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    Smile Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    Swords I think. IIRC all dual units do, thats why hoplites and triarii had to have their swords removed.
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    Default Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    That's all very confusing for me. Do I have to change the weapon manually or will the unit choose the right automatically? E. G. spear against cavalry, sword against infantry.

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    Smile Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    They will to a certain extent, but only individualy, to change the whole unit you need to use alt. right click.
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    Default AW: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    My Hypaspistai always stand around with their swords... but when an enemy comes along, the ones fighting switch to spears, the rest stay with their swords.

    So if I ALT-click on the enemy, don't they switch entirely to spears? How do I get them to use their swords? And wouldn't they leave their position when I tell them "attack"? I want them to hold the line.

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    Default Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    Sword Spear units:

    If you click to Attack an enemy unit, they charge with their spears but then switch to the swords in hand to hand fighting. If a soldier gets knocked down and stands up again he begins fighting with his spear (thats why you always see some soldiers fighting with their spears while the units attacks with their swords)

    If you want them to fight with their spears (against cavalry) you need to alt + click on the enemy.


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    Default Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    The problem with ALT-clicking is that usually cavalry charges infantry, not the other way around.

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    Default Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    Why do sword/spear infantry use sword as primary?

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    Default Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    I've heard it's a bug that the team has trouble fixing, but don't believe everything I say.

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    Default Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    Quote Originally Posted by MastaSpoofa
    Why do sword/spear infantry use sword as primary?
    can't be the other way around except for phalanx infantry, I believe.

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    Default Re: Question about units that use both spear and sword.

    Could also be the AI's issues with secondary weapons (namely, Does Not Use) and the penalties the "spear" attribute has against infantry.
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