Are the Romans too Powerful?

[Noir]

Now add the fact that post Marian Roman units are supported from 3 separate factions and how fast the Marian Reforms themselves can happen...

RTW vanilla - any version - is unbalanced beyond redemption and in fact many battle oriented mods came out originally in order to deal with this and the gross historical innacuracies.

Many Thanks

Noir

[Stuperman]

I will admit that I hate how early the reforms come, I've had them as early as 230 BC, personally I'd like them at the historical time of 107. But the intense discipline and training that the soldiers faced would make them incredibly tough. Especially at that time in history when most opposing army was made up of relitively inexpierenced people forced into military service.

[guineawolf]

i think that it is the idea of the developers,since it's objective is to capture Rome to win the campaign,then it must create those superior army nearby to avoid it being captured so easily to increase it's difficulty(just like a knight must defeat the dragon to reach the sleeping beauty,hehehe )

i read it,historically that roman are 1 of those greek culture,and their original army are same as greeks,based on hoplites and phalanxe formations.But since it get defeated by gauls come from north with using phalanxe formations,and Rome itself almost get abandoned by it's people,but 1 man summoned them back to rebuild Rome.Since then,romans decide to adopt the gaul's equipment and fighting style and give up the phalanxe,then it is the creation of legions.

too bad i lost the link to that site,but i will search for it,i will post that link here if i find it.....

still find it yet..but got a site which got pictures too

homepage:
http://www.roman-empire.net/index.html

pictures:
http://www.roman-empire.net/army/army-pictures.html



somehow it have tell the story that the form of legions:read from the early legion
http://www.roman-empire.net/army/army.html
and read from the early legion,it seems that romans early legions not just hastati,principles and triarii,it got "rorarii" and "accensi" too

this site at least tell me history and details about roman army:
-The Greek Phalanx
-The Early Legion (4th century BC)
-Scipio's Reforms of the Army
-The Roman Legion (2nd century BC)
-Marius' reforms of the Army (our Marius' reforms)

[King of Kings]

well i think its hardly inaccurate because there the most successful army of the ancient world.But that said there cav is to over powered cos they didnt have many or that great cav,most of them werent Romans or Italians.And also i dont think they could of beat the spartans in real life anyway.

[Kuni]

Yes, Romans are too powerful. They are no doubt a superpower.

But this is Rome: Total War, after all.. MTW M2TW and STW are not centered on one faction, RTW is.

[IceWolf]

I'm starting to think that post-Marius they are. I'm playing a Scythian campaign right now and I keep trashing one stack after another (at much higher cost than my earlier battles) and another group of hard fighting Brutti/Julii pops up to take their place. Rome has the units and the econ to support them.

[Celt Centurion]

While the Romans can be some tough guys, I've found many other tough units in other factions. As one of you mentioned, I also upgrade armor as soon as I can, and as often as I can. Copper upgrades to silver which upgrades to gold. If I managed to build or capture a city with a foundry and a temple of Hephaestus, or Artemis, I upgrade the armor of everybody in the place, and then start "trading" units from neighboring cities to get the armor upgrades.

Presently, I have an XGM game as Macedon. I've taken most of present day Turkey from The Greek Cities and Selucids. Pergamum has a foundry and awesome temple of Artemis. Imagine the armor upgrades in that! I've also gotten the same upgrades in every city in Western Turkey, and have taken a bunch more.

I think that a lot of it is upgrading with improved barracks and armor.

Try the armor and experience upgrades, and you may find what you are looking for.

Strength and Honor

Celt Centurion