Deal Struck on Immigration Bill

[Ice]

Good then you will join me in legalising all drugs including crack Lets do that with all crimes. Thats where the flat tax comes in

These are people not drugs. I'm perfectly happy with the bill. If it was up to me, I'd make immigration standards even more lax then they are currently are. America is a nation of immigrants. Besides, making them legal always them to be taxed and be accounted for. We actually know who's in our country. They aren't just going to disappear.

[TevashSzat]

Politicians aren't doing so because they want the US to be more open to immigrants, they are only doing so because they are too lazy or afraid to tackle a big problem. There are tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens trying to get into the US or any western country, but are continuously rejected. They are those who helped the US army but now feel threatened because they are marked by a target and could be easily targetted by terrorist groups.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

These are people not drugs.

Their criminals. They also are not necessities as you suggest. What it boils down to is that republicans let it happen because the big corporations want cheap labor and the democrats let it happen because most of these people will vote for them. The fact is if these jobs paid a decent wage americans would gladly do them. And no the price of everything wouldnt go up or at least not much as we wouldnt be supporting all these illegals and their children.

[Devastatin Dave]

Reading this thread has me craving some Taco Bell. Anybody like the chilli cheese burrito? I'm gonna get me two of those and a Mexican Pizza. Well, atleast one thing has been positive about this legislation; I realised what I've been craving the past few minutes. Grassynuts all those who have contributed to this thread, grassynuts!!!

[KafirChobee]

Their criminals. They also are not necessities as you suggest. What it boils down to is that republicans let it happen because the big corporations want cheap labor and the democrats let it happen because most of these people will vote for them. The fact is if these jobs paid a decent wage americans would gladly do them. And no the price of everything wouldnt go up or at least not much as we wouldnt be supporting all these illegals and their children.

"....the dems let it happen because most of these people will vote for them."
Er, illegals have the right to vote? Pay taxes, yes - vote, no.

As for Americans picking strawberries, asparagus, oranges, etc. for any amount of money, or Americans being willing to pay higher prices? You jest? Ask any farmer how long an average american lasts - if they hire on - a day, at best. Consider the farm subsidies paid to maintain low prices. We need these people - illegal or no.

Thing is, if our immigration laws weren't so antiquated and biased, our bureaucracy so overwhelmed by their own self importance - these illegals could have been legal. It is time for major immigration reforms, any reform that is non-persecutorial will be welcome.

[Xiahou]

Their criminals. They also are not necessities as you suggest. What it boils down to is that republicans let it happen because the big corporations want cheap labor and the democrats let it happen because most of these people will vote for them. The fact is if these jobs paid a decent wage americans would gladly do them. And no the price of everything wouldnt go up or at least not much as we wouldnt be supporting all these illegals and their children.

True dat.

All that happens under the current system is the taxpayers are subsidizing the businesses that employ illegals. They'll still get healthcare, education and other benefits- it's just that the costs are pushed onto the taxpayers instead of the employers as it should be. The only good thing in this bill is the border enforcement trigger. However, I suspect that could easily be waived off once the law is passed.

If it was up to me, I'd make immigration standards even more lax then they are currently are. America is a nation of immigrants.

Right now we have a labor market that's very favorable to the workers. If you don't like your job or pay, chances are good that you can you can find a different better job. You're proposing that we take the lid off of the supply of the labor market. What do you think that does to your ability to find a job that you like that actually pays?

All of these bills are so completely wrong-headed to me. They have to travel back to their country of origin, but have a guaranteed right of return- what's the point of that? Then there are two year visas that are renewable, but only after the worker goes home for a year. What happens when they don't go?

Further, the whole process stinks of elitism to me. We're just letting "peasants" into our country to work for what's obviously little more than a slave wage (since no actual citizens will do the work for that money) and then we expect them to go home again once the work is done. Look, if we need more workers, let them immigrate- legally. None of this work for a pittance and go home crap either. Immigration with the intent of citizenship. Do it in a controlled, impartial and legal fashion with the intent of increasing the workforce if that's what we need. Indentured servitude is offensive to me.

[Ice]

Right now we have a labor market that's very favorable to the workers. If you don't like your job or pay, chances are good that you can you can find a different better job. You're proposing that we take the lid off of the supply of the labor market. What do you think that does to your ability to find a job that you like that actually pays?

Absolutely Yes. First, it greatly drives down prices. I don't know about you, but I enjoy low prices.

Second, the jobs these people are taking are crap jobs. This goes back to the old "Dem der immigrants tok my j0b".

[Ice]

True dat.

Further, the whole process stinks of elitism to me. We're just letting "peasants" into our country to work for what's obviously little more than a slave wage (since no actual citizens will do the work for that money) and then we expect them to go home again once the work is done. Look, if we need more workers, let them immigrate- legally. None of this work for a pittance and go home crap either. Immigration with the intent of citizenship. Do it in a controlled, impartial and legal fashion with the intent of increasing the workforce if that's what we need. Indentured servitude is offensive to me.

No one says these immigrants have to work for slave labor. They will have the opportunity every lower class family has in this country.

Many are simply willing to work for this labor though because their standard of living will be greatly enhanced over where they came from.

[Ice]

Their criminals. They also are not necessities as you suggest. What it boils down to is that republicans let it happen because the big corporations want cheap labor and the democrats let it happen because most of these people will vote for them. The fact is if these jobs paid a decent wage americans would gladly do them. And no the price of everything wouldnt go up or at least not much as we wouldnt be supporting all these illegals and their children.

They are tolerable criminals. I'd rather be a criminal in one country rather than starve to death in a another one.

Where did I say we needed them? I'm say that this country is built upon immigrants and we should continue that long held tradition. They do help us though.

Thank you also for that through analysis on the economic conditions of illegal immigrants. Very scientific. It is contrary to the mainstream claims and you give absolutely no fact to back it up. Brilliant. By the way. Prices would go up greatly if you are paying someone 12 dollars an hour to pick cherries rather than 5 bucks an hour.

I really don't understand why people are so scared of letting these people in our country. It makes sense they want to escape their crap hole of a life in Mexico and we should welcome them for moral and economic reasons.