the get screwed formula

**TevashSzat** · 05-18-2007, 03:58

From your post, it seems that the games seemed alot harder to you and you lost a campaign or two. First, remember to have up to 1.2 patch and remember, the two games are different and that there are different game mechanics to each

**Durallan** · 05-18-2007, 04:10

I guess not everyone can have fun with M2TW. In my experience I have had alot of fun and has been great to play all the way through, even with some of the bugs that were in 1.0.

**Shahed** · 05-18-2007, 04:18

When I said mods I also meant ALL those that are in your sig. So I should say mods + fixes, to be precise.

**Nebuchadnezzar** · 05-18-2007, 04:49

Thought I might add that I doubt loosing a campaign is likely in M2TW especially for someone who has played RTW. I'm 100 turns into a HRE campaign and these are the annoyances I've seen so far.

Keep getting the blockade Caen port mission even though I fail everytime. Since the English have a huge fleet of at least 4 nearly full stacks patrolling the area I don't even try. 4 out of the 5 missions were in a row. How annoying not to get another type of mission!

100 turns into the campaign and no crusade! 4 or was it 5 times in a row the pope dies and crusade cancelled all within 3 turns of a crusade being called. How bloody annoying. Will I ever see the Holy city FFS.

recruited 40+ merchants and none have survived more than 4 turns in the wild. Ok, I did try to transport 6 across to Africa from Ajaccio but my 6 stack cog got surrounded by enemy ships which weren't even allied and sunk in one hit (remeber this happening in RTW). Cheating, damn I wish I had naval engagements going in my favour like that. How annoying.

Am I the only one getting this type of nonsense. Not even considering diplomacy or AI.

Other than traits all this is mostly hardcoded and can't be modded AFAIK

**Durallan** · 05-18-2007, 05:35

Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar

Thought I might add that I doubt loosing a campaign is likely in M2TW especially for someone who has played RTW. I'm 100 turns into a HRE campaign and these are the annoyances I've seen so far.

Keep getting the blockade Caen port mission even though I fail everytime. Since the English have a huge fleet of at least 4 nearly full stacks patrolling the area I don't even try. 4 out of the 5 missions were in a row. How annoying not to get another type of mission!

100 turns into the campaign and no crusade! 4 or was it 5 times in a row the pope dies and crusade cancelled all within 3 turns of a crusade being called. How bloody annoying. Will I ever see the Holy city FFS.

recruited 40+ merchants and none have survived more than 4 turns in the wild. Ok, I did try to transport 6 across to Africa from Ajaccio but my 6 stack cog got surrounded by enemy ships which weren't even allied and sunk in one hit (remeber this happening in RTW). Cheating, damn I wish I had naval engagements going in my favour like that. How annoying.

Am I the only one getting this type of nonsense. Not even considering diplomacy or AI.

Other than traits all this is mostly hardcoded and can't be modded AFAIK

wow I never knew you had such problems! I'm amazed the english can support such a large navy, I haven't played 1.2 patched yet but not played a game like that yet! my comiserations :)

**Nebuchadnezzar** · 05-18-2007, 07:37

Originally Posted by Durallan

wow I never knew you had such problems! I'm amazed the english can support such a large navy, I haven't played 1.2 patched yet but not played a game like that yet! my comiserations :)

Ohh no! You are going to tell me that your playing on med aren't you? b/c I just don't believe that I'm the only one getting this.

A bit exaggerated with the English navy, its a couple nearly three quarter full and a couple of halfs from what limited vision I can see. But the Danes have only 2 cities and a much bigger navy still. The benefits of playing VH

Originally Posted by Yunus Dogus

In my game as the danes

the scottish turn up and seige oslow (norway) ever 3 turns, then ask for a cease fire - rinse repeat

the english turn up every 3 turns and seige Hamburg, then ask for cease fire - rinse repeat

without fail this will happen every three turns, again and again and again

VH-VH 1.2 vanilla

the first 50 times its was mildly amusing, now I just wait there for them (*bored*) - last battle the english turned up with a stack of family members, including their king and seige equiptment (cataplts etc) only - needless to say I wiped out the english blood line for the next 1000 years, the scotts turned up and sacrificed their king too

I think by very hard what they meant is very hard to stop the AI losing

a strategy of attacking the human player no matter what - is not a good strategy - the AI of this game fails at playing 'the game' how is that even possible

Yeah, I know. I also own Oslo and Scotts turn up every 2nd or 3rd turn for the compulsory seigefest.

I just took a screenie of them pushing a ram away from my city to god knows where. I think they wanted to leave the battle map with it or something.

**Csargo** · 05-18-2007, 07:48

Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar

I just took a screenie of them pushing a ram away from my city to god knows where. I think they wanted to leave the battle map with it or something.

That was a French group of soldiers who took two ladders down from the wall and started walking away with them. I've also had what you said happen to me except they marched to almost the edge of the map with a battering ram, then turned around and came back. It's sad but I couldn't stop laughing. Needless to say the siege AI doesn't seem to be too smart.

**Yun Dog** · 05-18-2007, 06:47

Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar

Thought I might add that I doubt loosing a campaign is likely in M2TW especially for someone who has played RTW. I'm 100 turns into a HRE campaign and these are the annoyances I've seen so far.

Keep getting the blockade Caen port mission even though I fail everytime. Since the English have a huge fleet of at least 4 nearly full stacks patrolling the area I don't even try. 4 out of the 5 missions were in a row. How annoying not to get another type of mission!

100 turns into the campaign and no crusade! 4 or was it 5 times in a row the pope dies and crusade cancelled all within 3 turns of a crusade being called. How bloody annoying. Will I ever see the Holy city FFS.

recruited 40+ merchants and none have survived more than 4 turns in the wild. Ok, I did try to transport 6 across to Africa from Ajaccio but my 6 stack cog got surrounded by enemy ships which weren't even allied and sunk in one hit (remeber this happening in RTW). Cheating, damn I wish I had naval engagements going in my favour like that. How annoying.

Am I the only one getting this type of nonsense. Not even considering diplomacy or AI.

Other than traits all this is mostly hardcoded and can't be modded AFAIK

In my game as the danes

the scottish turn up and seige oslow (norway) ever 3 turns, then ask for a cease fire - rinse repeat

the english turn up every 3 turns and seige Hamburg, then ask for cease fire - rinse repeat

without fail this will happen every three turns, again and again and again

VH-VH 1.2 vanilla

the first 50 times its was mildly amusing, now I just wait there for them (*bored*) - last battle the english turned up with a stack of family members, including their king and seige equiptment (cataplts etc) only - needless to say I wiped out the english blood line for the next 1000 years, the scotts turned up and sacrificed their king too

I think by very hard what they meant is very hard to stop the AI losing

a strategy of attacking the human player no matter what - is not a good strategy - the AI of this game fails at playing 'the game' how is that even possible