Heroic Victory

**Xehh II** · 05-17-2007, 18:40

I'm just wondering about how to get the Famous Battle Cross on the Campaign Map, I thought it needed Heroic Victory but this is not the case with me. So far, playing as england, I've had four Heroic Victories but none of them have got the Famous Battle Cross but one was defending a city, one was defending a castle and two were sallying from a castle.
So I think I'm right in thinking that you don't get Famous Battle Crosses from seige type battles but why not, especially when I sally with 100 men vs. 1000 and win, that deserves recognition.

**Discoman** · 05-17-2007, 18:46

Originally Posted by Xehh II

I'm just wondering about how to get the Famous Battle Cross on the Campaign Map, I thought it needed Heroic Victory but this is not the case with me. So far, playing as england, I've had four Heroic Victories but none of them have got the Famous Battle Cross but one was defending a city, one was defending a castle and two were sallying from a castle.
So I think I'm right in thinking that you don't get Famous Battle Crosses from seige type battles but why not, especially when I sally with 100 men vs. 1000 and win, that deserves recognition.

Well it can't appear on the map being on the same location as a settlement. Besides that Sieges are usually really easy for the defender to win so you can say the odds are usually in your favor.... unless your fighting the Timiruds.

**Xehh II** · 05-17-2007, 18:52

Yes they can appear, because the crosses should appear between the armies so it should be just on the edge of the settlement.

**Slug For A Butt** · 05-17-2007, 20:13

I'm with Discoman, I think you don't get the battle marker when you are fighting at a settlement. I have never seen one at a settlement battle but I have seen plenty everywhere else.
Whether you think your sallying deserves recognition isn't part of the coding I guess, it's just one of those things. Just go and earn them on an open field my friend.

**Xehh II** · 05-17-2007, 20:24

Originally Posted by Slug For A Butt

I think you don't get the battle marker when you are fighting at a settlement. I have never seen one at a settlement battle but I have seen plenty everywhere else.

But I have! The AI gets Crosses for seiges all the time! Especially Portugal.

**FactionHeir** · 05-17-2007, 20:31

As the others said. No crossed swords in siege type situations. The swords always appears in the center of the 3x3 red outlined square on the pre-battle screen. In sally/assault type situations, that center is the settlement and thus the swords do not appear.

**BigTex** · 05-17-2007, 21:20

Originally Posted by Xehh II

But I have! The AI gets Crosses for seiges all the time! Especially Portugal.

Famous battle markers for sieges are placed were the attacking army was. On the square next to the city.

I'm just wondering about how to get the Famous Battle Cross on the Campaign Map, I thought it needed Heroic Victory but this is not the case with me.

It doesnt only calculate the victory types for getting a famous battle marker. It also calculates the numbers of men involved, the ratio between the 2 armies and the type of victory. You can get a famous battle marker on a site that was merely a close victory.