Preview VI: The Dynasty Ming

[Nelduin]

Thanks...

[Eufarius]

hey you wouldnt be taking these skins from Blue Lotus? they look alike

[Intranetusa]

hey you wouldnt be taking these skins from Blue Lotus? they look alike

hmmm, the models from Blue Lotus? Show us some pics?

The armors for the Ming in the picture are anachronistic. The armors are lamellar used during the Han/Qin/Warring States period (5th cent BC-3rd cent AD) instead of Ming dynasty armor.

During the Ming, the average soldier wore metal brigandine armor and a steel helmet.

[Nelduin]

Yes, we have the permission to use this models...

[Nelduin]

Updated !!!

[furiousming]

hmmm, the models from Blue Lotus? Show us some pics?

The armors for the Ming in the picture are anachronistic. The armors are lamellar used during the Han/Qin/Warring States period (5th cent BC-3rd cent AD) instead of Ming dynasty armor.

During the Ming, the average soldier wore metal brigandine armor and a steel helmet.

Although Ming dynasty did use brigandine extensively in the mid to late period, early Ming use lamellar armor similar to the pictures.

[RollingWave]

Although Ming dynasty did use brigandine extensively in the mid to late period, early Ming use lamellar armor similar to the pictures.

that would depend a lot also on the status of the solider. most infantries also was not that well armored.

Ming Dynasty employed A LOT of gunpowder weapons. by late period they were actually based a lot on gunpowder units. your depiction is sort of off, and would be more fitting for something like the Song period (though not exactly correct either)

depections of the Korean war saw all sorts of artilery on the Ming's part. if we uses MTW2 references you could say they had Ribaults and rocket launchers in significant quantity. and used some sort of crude granades and significant amount of hand guns.

the Cho-Ko Nu was a different form of cross bow. it fires fast but it's range / penetration was limited. the soliders often compenstated for the lack of firepower with poison darts. it was basically useless against armor and shields. but useful in seige defense and simple fire surpressment and the simple shock effects.

The Ming used anti personal artillery to some pretty good effect and even had stratagies based on them , against the Mongols they often just formed a small sort right on the spot but surronding their troops with Ribualt / Missile launcher like anti personal artileries along with heavy crossbowman inside and some melee troop just incase they somehow broke through. (they obviously can't have enough artillery to form a full circle, so often they spaced them between cargo carts. with some supporting cavary as spotters etc...

this is a older mod now, but I would have...

a. had a Korean faction as the Vassal to Ming.
b. set a date on when a Manchu faction will rise in Machuria.

[Nelduin]

Hello, you should post your suggestion for the next version Here

[tokai]

Ming's troop has no the Classification of heavy & light in 16-17 centuries

The north garrisons' name is from these 12 military strongholds:
for example:Liaodong & Jizhen troop 遼東兵 and 薊鎮兵
they including:
cavalry（馬兵）-including mounted archer & mounted fiream(using single or three tube open fires &　long shank Hand Gunners )，their subsidiary are short single-blade sword & lance or other cold arms. But Ming-army has their own small & middle carnons, for eample folangchi style（佛郎機）&　chinese created carrige hoop carnon for example:great general(大將軍炮) & killed tartary(滅虜炮), a kind of motar like a prone tiger（虎蹲炮）.By the way，these carnons also the main styles in Ming's fiream carriage（車營）. Some north-west cavalry is from yeoman. The ming cavalry has chain mail, Brigandine & iron & fabric armet.

infantry（步兵）- ming's north garrisons is from Weisuo（衛所）, the hereditary military family & enlisted. In the later ming, enlisted soldiers has been instead of Weisuo gradually. The tridinal soldiers from Weisuo are flunky & they have few train & low combat effectiveness,their weapon are also not superior. They often to be regards as the the outpost or town guards. Enlisted soldiers' combat effectiveness are higher than Weisuo troop, they usually to fight. The weapon is like the cavalry, also use different fiream. They have few chain mail & Brigandine, also have the cap insted of the armet.

fiream carriage（車營）- the ming's fiream carriage is a protective troop, they are infantry with fiream carriage, the carriage was be revised folk style, they have 3 styles: light & heavy fiream carriage, baggage vehicles, they have 2 to 4 whees. Infantry used fireams & carnons to hide behind carriage to shoot in the battlfield, although they still equipped cold arms.For the fiream, pls see the description of cavalry.

south-east enlisted soldier（南兵）- they are usual enlisted from south-east & littoral provinces，the original troops is from General Qijiguang 's（戚继光） troop. They have few chain mail & Brigandine & often equiped cap & 3/4 length thick coat. They have high combat effectiveness & use rattan shield, arquebus & japanese sword. They are disciplined in battlefield.

bodyguard（家丁）- they are the main combat-worthy troops, they are also the general's personal troops, they also from badman ,killer & mongol warriors. They have the high soldier's pay and provisions, even most of troops has few soldier's pay and provisions or their commision are usually to be defaulted in 16-17 centuries.

other special troops:
mongol warriors（達兵 or 夷兵）
japanese musketers（倭兵）
They are usually captured & some of them are lansquenets or translator.

The other mings' troops are from inland provinces. For example: Sichuan troops（四川兵）& Maohulu posseman（毛葫蘆兵） in Henan（河南） province, they are brave but no disciplined, South-west toast troops & littoral provinces' navy & the palace guards.