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    Oh wait, sorry.

    It's actually the Lebanese.

    Lebanese army shells refugee camp

    By BASSEM MROUE, Associated Press Writer 38 minutes ago

    TRIPOLI, Lebanon - Lebanese troops pounded a Palestinian refugee camp with artillery and tank fire for a second day Monday, raising huge columns of smoke as they battled a militant group suspected of ties to al-Qaida in the worst violence since the end of the 1975-90 civil war.

    Nearly 50 combatants were killed in the first day of fighting Sunday, but it was not known how many civilians have been killed inside the Nahr el-Bared camp on the outskirts of the northern port city of Tripoli.

    Palestinian officials in the camp reported at least nine civilians were killed Monday, along with 40 wounded. The figures could not be confirmed because emergency workers or security officials have not been able to get in.

    The White House said it supports Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora's efforts to deal with fighting, and the State Department defended the Lebanese army, saying it was working in a "legitimate manner" against "provocations by violent extremists" operating in the camp.

    Black smoke filled the sky over Nahr el-Bared as fires raged for hours and heavy gunfire and explosions rang out constantly. Shells could be seen thudding into buildings in the seaside camp.

    Fighting paused briefly in the afternoon to allow the evacuation of 18 wounded civilians, according to Saleh Badran of the Palestinian Red Crescent Society. But the fighting quickly resumed. Ambulances raced through the streets of nearby Tripoli, where many shops were closed and many residents stayed inside.

    "There are many wounded. We're under siege. There is a shortage of bread, medicine and electricity. There are children under the rubble," Sana Abu Faraj, a refugee, told Al-Jazeera television by cell phone from the camp.

    Lebanon was already in the midst of its worst political crisis between the Western-backed government and Hezbollah-led opposition since the end of the civil war.

    The battle was an unprecedented showdown between the Lebanese army and militant groups that have arisen in Lebanon's Palestinian refugee camps, which are home to tens of thousands of people living amid poverty and crime and which Lebanese troops are not allowed to enter.

    The troops were fighting a group called
    Fatah Islam, whose leader has said he is inspired by al-Qaida leader
    Osama bin Laden and was training militants for attacks in other countries. Lebanese officials have also accused
    Syria of using Fatah Islam to stir up trouble in Lebanon, a charge Damascus has denied.

    Lebanese officials said one of the men killed Sunday was a suspect in a failed German train bombing — another indication the camp had become a refuge for Fatah Islam militants planning attacks outside of Lebanon. In the past, others affiliated with the group in the camp have said they were aiming to send trained fighters into
    Iraq and the group's leader has been linked to al-Qaida in Iraq.

    Hundreds of Lebanese troops, backed by tanks and armored carriers, surrounded the refugee camp Monday. M-48 battle tanks unleashed their cannon fire on the camp, home to 30,000 Palestinian refugees. The militants fired mortars toward the troops at daybreak.

    An army officer at the front line said troops directed concentrated fire at buildings known to house militants. He said troops also had orders to strike hard at any target that returned fire.

    "Everything we know that they were present in has been targeted," he told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

    A spokesman for Fatah Islam, Abu Salim, warned that if the army bombardment did not stop, the militants would step up attacks by rockets and artillery "and would take the battle outside Tripoli."

    He did not elaborate.

    "It is a life-or-death battle. Their aim is to wipe out Fatah Islam. We will respond and we know how to respond," he told the AP.

    Earlier in the day, another refugee camp, Ein el-Hilweh in southern Lebanon, was tense after Lebanese troops surrounded it and armed militants went on alert.

    At least 27 soldiers and 20 militants were killed Sunday, Lebanese security officials said. But they did not know how many civilians had been killed in the camp because it is off-limits to their authority.

    Lebanon says it has no authority to enter the camps under understandings with the Palestinians that give the PLO the authority in the camps. But Lebanon also is believed to be leery of entering for fear that any such actions would cause widespread unrest, be very costly and could spark pan-Arab sympathy for the Palestinian refugees that would trigger a backlash against the country.

    The clashes were triggered Sunday when police raided suspected Fatah Islam hideouts in several buildings in Tripoli, searching for men wanted in a recent bank robbery. A gunbattle erupted at one of the buildings between the group's fighters, and troops were called in to help the police.

    Militants then burst out of the nearby refugee camp, seizing Lebanese army positions, capturing two armored vehicles and ambushing troops. Lebanese troops later laid siege to the camp, where Fatah Islam militants were believed to be hiding.

    Fatah Islam is led by a Palestinian named Shaker al-Absi, who is wanted in three countries. He is believed to have fought in
    Afghanistan and Iraq. He told The New York Times in March that he was trying to spread al-Qaida's ideology and was training fighters inside the camp for attacks on other countries.

    He would not specify which countries but expressed anger toward the United States. And he was sentenced to death earlier in absentia along with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq killed last summer by U.S. forces in Iraq, for the 2002 assassination of an American diplomat in Jordan.

    In a news conference in March, al-Absi denied he was sending fighters to Iraq.

    "Fighting in our homeland (Palestine) is more important," he said then. "We have no connection with any regime or organization on this earth. Our connection is with 'There is no God but God' (the slogan of Islam). We have come to raise it over the skies of Jerusalem."

    Al-Absi had been in custody in Syria until last fall but was released and set up his group in the camp, where he apparently found recruits, Lebanese officials said.

    Lebanon's national police commander, Maj. Gen. Ashraf Rifi, said Damascus was using Fatah Islam as a covert way to wreak havoc in the country. He denied Fatah Islam's al-Qaida links, saying it was a Syrian-bred group.

    "Perhaps there are some deluded people among them but they are not al-Qaida. This is imitation al-Qaida, a 'Made in Syria' one," he told the AP.

    Lebanese security officials said Fatah Islam has up to 100 members who come from Arab countries, including Saudi Arabia and Syria, as well as local sympathizers who belong to the conservative Salafi branch of Islam.

    The Lebanese Broadcasting Corp. TV station reported the dead militants included men from Bangladesh, Yemen and other Arab countries. Some wore explosive belts, security officials said.

    Officials identified the suspect in the failed German train bombing as Saddam El-Hajdib, the fourth-highest ranking official in the Fatah Islam group, an official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. El-Hajdib had been on trial in absentia in Lebanon in the failed German plot.

    It was unclear whether Lebanese authorities had known the whereabouts of El-Hajdib or al-Absi before the gunbattle first broke Sunday out in Tripoli.

    White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto said the Bush administration is concerned about the fighting. "We believe the parties should take a step back from violence," he said.

    The State Department gave its support to the Lebanese army's battle with Fatah Islam.

    "This is a group that has been involved in violence to achieve whatever their stated objective may be," spokesman Sean McCormack said.

    McCormack declined to discuss whether the group may be tied to al-Qaida or other groups outside Lebanon. Asked about a possible Syrian link, McCormack said, "At this point I wouldn't draw that connection."

    In Monday's fighting, a driver for the AP, working with journalists at the scene, was injured when he was hit in the thigh by a bullet or shrapnel. He was being treated at a hospital and was expected to recover.

    Ahmed Methqal, a Muslim cleric in the camp, told Al-Jazeera that five civilians had been killed.

    "You can say there is a massacre going on in the camp of children and women who have nothing to do with Fatah Islam," he said. "They are targeting buildings, with people in them."

    Lebanon has struggled to defeat armed groups that control pockets of the country — especially inside the 12 Palestinian refugee camps housing 350,000 people.

    Some camps have become havens for Islamic militants accused of carrying out attacks in the country and of sending recruits to fight U.S.-led coalition forces in Iraq.

    Palestinian officials from the moderate Fatah faction in the
    West Bank sought to distance themselves from Fatah Islam and urged Palestinian refugees in the camp to isolate the militant group.

    Khaled Mashaal, exiled political leader of the Palestinian militant group Hamas, asked Saniora to take "necessary procedures" to ensure refugees in the camp are not harmed.

    ___

    Associated Press Writer Hussein Dakroub in Beirut contributed.
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    Default Re: Lebanese army slaughtering innocent Palestinians!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Fox
    Oh wait, sorry.

    It's actually the Lebanese.
    There - fixed it for you.

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    Why oh why does every opponent of a terror group always use child-seeking ammunition? And who developed such ammunition in the first place?

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    It was meant to be ironic

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    Default Re: Lebanese army slaughtering innocent Palestinians!!!!

    Well I think the Lebanese Army is sending a clear message though, "If you think you can come here to stir up trouble, think again."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakizashi
    Well I think the Lebanese Army is sending a clear message though, "If you think you can come here to stir up trouble, think again."
    Now, if we can only bring the total number of countries with this attitude up to about 210....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
    Why oh why does every opponent of a terror group always use child-seeking ammunition? And who developed such ammunition in the first place?

    Why oh why does every terror group attack or hide behind innocents and not fight with honor as warriors are wont to?

    "You can say there is a massacre going on in the camp of children and women who have nothing to do with Fatah Islam," he said. "They are targeting buildings, with people in them."
    This kind of thing has been going on since before Abraham and the Ammonites and Amelikites. Still mankind has not learned to curb his ways.
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    There's a cold, hard algebra to war that we seem to have forgotten in the modern world. I don't think the Lebanese Army's goal is to kill Palestinian civilians. But I do agree, they are using such a crude and ineffective targeting mechanism, it cannot be assumed to actually kill Fatah either.

    At the end of the day, you take responsiblity for those you allow to dwell among you. If camps didn't allow Fatah refuge, the Lebanese violence would end. The question here is who will blink first. Sadly, it's civilian casualties, on all sides, that are always the stakes in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorgun
    Why oh why does every terror group attack or hide behind innocents and not fight with honor as warriors are wont to?
    Because "honourable combat" is and has always been a luxury only affordable to the strong. Others either got cunning and callous, or splattered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    There's a cold, hard algebra to war that we seem to have forgotten in the modern world. I don't think the Lebanese Army's goal is to kill Palestinian civilians. But I do agree, they are using such a crude and ineffective targeting mechanism, it cannot be assumed to actually kill Fatah either.

    At the end of the day, you take responsiblity for those you allow to dwell among you. If camps didn't allow Fatah refuge, the Lebanese violence would end. The question here is who will blink first. Sadly, it's civilian casualties, on all sides, that are always the stakes in this game.
    No we have not forgotten it, I rather prefer that we discarded it along time ago. To simply accept that normal people like me have to be killed in order for the World to "Run" properly to the sound of politicos does not stick.

    Again we see the product of Isreali occupation, the complete destruction of Order in the Levant, yeah thumbs up guys, you did good

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    Again we see the product of Isreali occupation, the complete destruction of Order in the Levant, yeah thumbs up guys, you did good
    Hence why I used "Israelis slaughters innocent Palestinians" as the original title - it was only a matter of time before somebody figured out a way to blame the Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
    No we have not forgotten it, I rather prefer that we discarded it along time ago. To simply accept that normal people like me have to be killed in order for the World to "Run" properly to the sound of politicos does not stick.

    Again we see the product of Isreali occupation, the complete destruction of Order in the Levant, yeah thumbs up guys, you did good
    Of course, Bopa. Of course. The Lebanese try to keep order within their own country, and it's the stinking Jews Israelis again. Boy, they sure do show up everywhere, don't they?

    So if I let a mass murderer stay at my house and refuse to turn him over to the police, can I blame the stinking Jews Israelis when the cops kick my door in too?

    And I wasn't trying to justify it. You might find this shocking, but I actually do feel really bad for the Palestinians. They deserve better leaders, ones that won't let Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah use them as human shields while they launch strikes on Lebanese and Israeli targets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Fox
    Hence why I used "Israelis slaughters innocent Palestinians" as the original title - it was only a matter of time before somebody figured out a way to blame the Jews.
    Sounds like part of the international Jewish conspiracy to slaughter innocent Palestinians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Fox
    Hence why I used "Israelis slaughters innocent Palestinians" as the original title - it was only a matter of time before somebody figured out a way to blame the Jews.
    I am not blaming the jews. Did I say so? No I think I blamed Israel, note the difference before you bring out the good'ol anti-semetism card
    The King of Jordan ( a smart man) has said that the key to peace in the Middle East is the Isreali-Palestinian conflict. Although I do not agree wholly, it would reduce the ammunition with which Islamists can use against THE WEST.

    The key to peace is Israel acting like a develpoped, industrial and westernised state. At the moment it is acting like warmongering no good rogue state, above the regulations the West so fervently uphold. However I realise that the Palestinians sometime do terrible things. In response to what Israel has done to them, I mean sometimes I bang my head in wonderment at what they get away with, it shocks me. Israel are the bigger partner in this relationship, time they started acting like it, give land back, pump money into a new Palestinian state and let the people live. The craetion of a well off state will completley destroy radicalism (heres hoping) in Palestine.
    Then situations like this in Lebanon will cease to exist.

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    You're actually blaming Israel for an event in which Lebanese soldiers fired Lebanese munitions at Palestinians in Lebanon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Of course, Bopa. Of course. The Lebanese try to keep order within their own country, and it's the stinking Jews Israelis again. Boy, they sure do show up everywhere, don't they?

    So if I let a mass murderer stay at my house and refuse to turn him over to the police, can I blame the stinking Jews Israelis when the cops kick my door in too?

    And I wasn't trying to justify it. You might find this shocking, but I actually do feel really bad for the Palestinians. They deserve better leaders, ones that won't let Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah use them as human shields while they launch strikes on Lebanese and Israeli targets.
    Yeah, you feel bad for them, just make sure you never point a finger at Isreal, you might seem like one of those nut jobs who have tendencies to link troubles in the Midlle-East with Israel. Careful Don, carefull...

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    Wasn't calling you anti-semetic.

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    Some people will blame anything on the Jews. Its pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJager
    Some people will blame anything on the Jews. Its pathetic.
    Some people need to read properly, I said Israel.

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    Ah yes, the Jewish state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJager
    Ah yes, the Jewish state.
    So, I can't be critical of a country that has based itself upon race and has tried damned hard to keep it that way, because that makes me a racist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
    So, I can't be critical of a country that has based itself upon race and has tried damned hard to keep it that way, because that makes me a racist?
    The question is: Why is your knee-jerk reaction to blame Israel for the events highlighted in this thread?

    That kind of blame-Israel-first attitude is different from thoughtful evaluation of the issue and is based in anti-semitism.

    Basically, if you see a topic about a Lebanese internal security situation and the first thing you think of is evil israelis omgz!!!1, you might need to figure out the root of your hatred.

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    Don, I wish you would not keep calling the relevant Palestinian group being targeted by the Lebanese government "Fatah". It is is "Fatah Islam", an Al Qaida sympathesising Islamic group. "Fatah" proper is a secular Palestinian group that is the largest party in the PLO. Fatah proper has disowned Fatah Islam and seems to be aligned with the Lebanese government and the West against the Islamicists - e.g. the Hizbollah opposition in Lebanon and the Hamas government in Palestine. This is not an academic distinction given that at the moment there seems to be virtual civil war going on in Palestine between the PLO and the Islamicists. (Indeed, confusing Fatah Islam with Fatah is rather like confusing National Socialists with Socialists.)

    [Doing a quick wikipedia check, "fatah" itself seems to be a term with positive associations among Muslims, often referring to the early Islamic conquests.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJager
    The question is: Why is your knee-jerk reaction to blame Israel for the events highlighted in this thread?

    That kind of blame-Israel-first attitude is different from thoughtful evaluation of the issue and is based in anti-semitism.

    Basically, if you see a topic about a Lebanese internal security situation and the first thing you think of is evil israelis omgz!!!1, you might need to figure out the root of your hatred.
    Whatever dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by econ21
    Don, I wish you would not keep calling the relevant Palestinian group being targeted by the Lebanese government "Fatah". It is is "Fatah Islam", an Al Qaida sympathesising Islamic group. "Fatah" proper is a secular Palestinian group that is the largest party in the PLO. Fatah proper has disowned Fatah Islam and seems to be aligned with the Lebanese government and the West against the Islamicists - e.g. the Hizbollah opposition in Lebanon and the Hamas government in Palestine. This is not an academic distinction given that at the moment there seems to be virtual civil war going on in Palestine between the PLO and the Islamicists. (Indeed, confusing Fatah Islam with Fatah is rather like confusing National Socialists with Socialists.)

    [Doing a quick wikipedia check, "fatah" itself seems to be a term with positive associations among Muslims, often referring to the early Islamic conquests.]
    This I did not know, and I appreciate the update. I actually thought it was the Fatah of the Al-Aqsa brigades causing all the trouble in that camp outside Tripoli. My apologies to them and to you. I continue to learn by my association with the Backroom.
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    Bopa, you missed this question:

    You're actually blaming Israel for an event in which Lebanese soldiers fired Lebanese munitions at Palestinians in Lebanon?

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    Yes guys, Bopa is extremely unreasonable. When Israel launched its attack on the Lebanon not a year ago nobody here even dared mention that perhaps other parties, say Iran and Syria, acted as destabilising factors in the Lebanon and the regio at large...
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    Israel has about as much to with the situation currently going on in Lebanon, as Al Qaeda does in Iraq. Not much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
    Bopa, you missed this question:
    Yes, not entirley, but yes.
    Syria is the other big contender, of coarse they are more directly responsible (Im not buying into their statemnts of innocence).

    However Israel seems to have constantly strived to destabilise Libanon, last years terrible act comes to mind.

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    Default Re: Lebanese army slaughtering innocent Palestinians!!!!

    Those bloody Israelis, destroying peace across the Middle East once ag--wait... what? Lebanese doing this?

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    Hey, them dudes paid some serious attention in 2006!

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    In all seriousness now, this is merely the Lebanese state finally getting to cope with the evils of its past. The Arab refugees from what Europeans named "Palestine," in imitation of the Romans, were stuffed into camps that were worse than Cairo's meanest ghetto and kept there in the ambition of the pan-Arabist governments and movements at the time to have easily brainwashed subjects to destabilize their arch-enemy and Antichrist Israel -- next to, of course, an incredible optimism as to their own chances against said Jewish state, and simple and quite frankly base passing of a news hetze.

    Now -- as it had to from 1975 to 1990 -- Lebanon has to deal with that legacy. Once again, a highly radical, militant and utterly ruthless Palestinian personal army has risen, giving not a whit for anybody's lives but their own. It's the old story all over again, albeit on a smaller scale. Thank God that (as of now) they lack the power to rip apart Lebanon like their predecessors in Fatah and Arafat, but this is the first foothold al-Qa'ida seems to have gained in Palestinian society. This might be the beginning of something worrisome, as even the utter madmen in the Islamic Jihad movement rejected al-Qa'ida's advances in the past.

    However Israel seems to have constantly strived to destabilise Libanon, last years terrible act comes to mind.
    Utter drivel. The Palestinian terrorists of Fatah ripped Lebanon apart and made it into the weak state it is now, and Israel was merely a participant in the aftermath. Please go read up on some facts before you start making claims.
    Last edited by The Wizard; 05-21-2007 at 23:36.
    "It ain't where you're from / it's where you're at."

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