Small question: What armour is this?

[tk-421]

We are content to use quilted armor in a very limited manner for Greeks (on Machimoi Egyptian Phalangites and one texture variant of the Cretan archer unit) because of the reasons stated above in this thread.

And your use of this style of armour is not exactly "very limited." In a brief scan of the main Greek faction units, I found 6 units wearing such armour, some with studded quilted armour, others simply quilted armour (Iudaioi Taxeis, Pantodapoi Phalangitai, Thureophoroi, Toxotai Kretikoi, Thrakiois Hippeis, Machimoi Phalangitai).

I counted the total number of skins used by our Greek and strongly Greek-influenced by units and got 190 (remember, this is in our internal build with lots of new units). Of those, only 14 skins used some sort of quilted armor. That's just 7%. Also, I am certain that I accidentally left out several rebel skins (maybe 5-15) when I counted. I happen to know that those do not use padded armor, so I'd guess that the percentage of Greek units using padded armor is probably around 5-6%. I'd say that, for the purposes of the game, that is pretty limited.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

I see that one of the textures of the Pantadapoi Phalangitai also uses them, and that one of the textures of the Thracian Hippeis uses them too. Indeed I did not count those in my earlier naming of two units, but I am not referring to studded armor here, just the type that was asked about originally. I don't see the Thureophoroi that you say has it, but it might be one of the approximately 8 or 10 variants of that unit that I haven't found yet in custom battles.

I will also say that from conversations inside the mod team, that there is absolutely no desire expressed in changing them now either. You can make sure RTR doesn't use them though if you are so opposed to their inclusion and so certain no one is using them in these regions in our time period.

As for stifling discussion, there are hundreds and hundreds of threads here. It's a very active place and has lots of things going on all the time. The only ones that I have a problem with seem to be the ones you alone insist on "discussing" (i.e., complaining about - I don't recall seeing any from you talking about how something is good or agreeing with anything we have) EB units in. The one good thing that is sort of evident from all of this is that I don't think this makes any EB members have hard feelings towards RTR at all - it's more like sympathy than anything else, genuinely.

[geala]

I don't understand exactly the backgrounds of the recent discussion but I am not very amused about it. I don't know RTR and am not interested in it. The discussion was about a form of armour not normally seen in the sources in the case of Greeks. It is a form which is very logical, giving a simple and functional armour. I believe that this form of armour existed. It is okay to use it in a game where you are happy to have diversity. But it is also okay to question the armour and ask for the evidence.

[Geoffrey S]

It is okay to use it in a game where you are happy to have diversity. But it is also okay to question the armour and ask for the evidence.

People on both sides of the debate would do well to think on this. Neither the EB representation or MeinPanzer's view are definitely correct or wrong, but both are perfectly possible. Presenting the options as absolutes helps no-one.