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    I'm surprised no one has posted anything about the actual immigration bill. Now it seems that bush has made something far from a compromise and has instead simply polarized the issue more. Democrats have called the plan to tough on immigrents while republicans have said the opposite. What do Orgah's think about the bill? Personly I think that it is a good first step. Like or not we will not be able to secure the boarders without a huge effort consuming billions of dollars nor will be able to deport every illegal in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroyer of Hope
    I'm surprised no one has posted anything about the actual immigration bill. Now it seems that bush has made something far from a compromise and has instead simply polarized the issue more. Democrats have called the plan to tough on immigrents while republicans have said the opposite. What do Orgah's think about the bill? Personly I think that it is a good first step. Like or not we will not be able to secure the boarders without a huge effort consuming billions of dollars nor will be able to deport every illegal in the country.
    I think its ridiculous personally. A good first step? This is a first good step SECURE FENCE ACT OF 2006 its a law on the books, but not funded. Its premature to go forward with Mr Bushes plan until this one is fully implemented.

    this is a security issue first, and economic issue second, thats where i think the main devide lays.
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    Anything that doesn't secure the border first and engage Mexico's own policies second is empty. I'm sure Bush wants to get something meaningful accomplished on the immigration issue, but this just isn't it. This is a band aid with a backdoor to failure.
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    Not enough, and any conservative or free marketeer who rails against immigration should really have a serious look at their coherence in positions. For that matter, any socialist or lefty who rails against immigration should look at their morals and solidarity.

    Let everyone in, land is land is land, lets make everyone's lot better! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG
    Not enough, and any conservative or free marketeer who rails against immigration should really have a serious look at their coherence in positions. For that matter, any socialist or lefty who rails against immigration should look at their morals and solidarity.

    Let everyone in, land is land is land, lets make everyone's lot better! :)

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