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    Default Re: Pre-emptive Pardon

    I have a question.
    Can new charges of a crime (or accusation) be presented in a fashion that doesnot interpret the pardon as being a functioning instrument in concern of the reasoning of the pardon?


    Or, is a pardon a blank check that covers every catagory of/for an offense?
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    Default Re: Pre-emptive Pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by KafirChobee
    I have a question.
    Can new charges of a crime (or accusation) be presented in a fashion that doesnot interpret the pardon as being a functioning instrument in concern of the reasoning of the pardon?


    Or, is a pardon a blank check that covers every catagory of/for an offense?
    Depends on the text:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald R. Ford - September 8, 1974
    Now, therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969, through August 9, 1974.

    In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this eighth day of September, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and seventy-four, and of the Independence of the United States of America the one hundred and ninety-ninth.
    This is formatted in such a way that ANY federal crime or misdemeanor was set aside for the entirety of Nixon's presidency (and for the 12 hours immediately before and preceding that presidency if you wish to get picky).

    In contrast:

    Quote Originally Posted by George H.W. Bush
    NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE BUSH, President of the United States of America, pursuant to my powers under Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, do hereby grant a full, complete, and unconditional pardon to Elliott Abrams, Duane R. Clarridge, Alan Fiers, Clair George, Robert C. McFarlane, and Caspar W. Weinberger for all offenses charged or prosecuted by Independent Counsel Lawrence E. Walsh or other member of his office, or committed by these individuals and within the jurisdiction of that office.

    IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-fourth day of December, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and ninety-two, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and seventeenth.
    This is a blanket covering anything connected with that IC investigation, but would not obviate any penalties or charges stemming from other crimes/misdemeanors.


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    Default Re: Pre-emptive Pardon

    Thx, Seamus for your perspective.

    Gah! i wishes me was smarter.
    To forgive bad deeds is Christian; to reward them is Republican. 'MC' Rove
    The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
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    Save the Whales. Collect the whole set of them.

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