Could somebody, please, post some evidence on existence of Chaonian Agema and IIllyrioi Thorakitai.

I've just read a very interesting and complete book about Pyrrhos:
1. All his Pezhetairoi phalanx were of macedon origin;
2. Thorakitai were not mentioned at all;
3. Chaonian tribe was in decline already and they weren't supporting Pyrrhos with some significant bodyguard Agemas.

Perhaps I'm wrong about it, but from my point of view, Epeiros wasn't such a unique kingdom different from Diadochi, so perhaps:
1. Greek Thorakitai&Thureophoroi need to be added to their army roster;
2. Chaonian Agema and IIllyrioi Thorakitai&Thureophoroi need to be removed.

Best regards,
MiniMe.

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Which book was it? Btw, you shouldn't say "have to". It means you're demanding, which if I intrepid right, you're not. Strong words seem to bring out the worst in people.

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Р.В. Светлов "Пирр и военная история его времени" which means
R.Svetlov "Pyrrus and war history of his time period"
R.Svetlov is a war historian from Sanct Petersburg university, I'm afraid you won't find this book in english.
Oh! Thanx for correcting me, my english is still far from perfect.
Of course I wasn't demanding, I was suggesting =)

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It won't happen, Minime. Every unit has been researched appropriately and proven to exist for a reason. Just because YOU read ONE book in Russian (never translated, already means its doubtful in historical relevance) that doesn't say they EXISTED, doesn't mean they didn't exist.

The game already reflects that Pezhetairoi are recruitable in Macedon not in Epeiros...

so just forget about it, in my humble opinion

plus Chaonion Agema is the best looking elite phalanx!

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So which is the evidence (books) of yours?

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Brightblade, I wasn't stating they didn't exist ;-)
Indeed, my knowledge of this matter is based on one book only, that's why I was asking for other sources of information.
However beautiful, their 14 armor is a little bit too much, I'm afraid.

One more thing:
Why should IIllyrioi Thorakitai (that use same gear and tactics as KH Thorakitai) be more powerful than KH Thorakitai?
Why presume that IIllyrioi were physically stronger than Hellenes?
Lets put it this way: would you agree with statement that Spanish heavyweight boxer is better than Irish heavyweight of same experience?

Best regards,
MiniMe.

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I believe in regards to your Thorakitai question, the strength is related more towards the Illyrians being a semi 'barbaric' civilization with the warrior culture being more prominent amongst regular Illyrians than the normal citizen soldiers of Greece


Your boxer comparison is irrelevant to the issue because boxerswould probably spend an equal amount of time training to be a better boxer and his normal non boxing time would be spent doing things unrelated to fighting

An Illyrian tribe on the borders of stronger foes and more barbarians to the north would probably have to fight more to survive than a Greek citizen soldier in Athens during peacetime, all things equal

If you want historical references as to why a certain unit is included, you'd better ask the EB team to provide them, but I think by now all these units that have been in the mod for so long have already been justified (both within internal EB member discussion situations and by us the players)

I mean if you see a new unit pop in next build and you want to ask for sources I'm sure they'll oblige if they have time, but you can always rest assured (and I can, too) that the team ALWAYS has historical references to back up all their unit inclusions.

goolasso, way to sound totally dumb in asking, I'm not an EB member, just a beta tester, thus finding historical sources is not my priority.

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A remark on the subject of this book MiniMe mentions and its author: This page http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/249509/ contains a short presentation of this Svetlov fellow. From what it claims, he is a professor at the department of history of philosophy at the institute of philosophy at the St. Peterburg state university. He apparently lectures on such subjects as neoplatonism and gnosticism, and seems not to have any special qualifications in "physical" history or archeology. He has also written a book called "Войны античного мира. Походы Пирра" - "Wars of the antique world. The campaigns of Pyrrhos". Seems to be a "popular" work.

I would infer from this that his word should not carry greater weight than those of specialists on the subject of the Epirote kingdom.

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This is certainly not our policy brightblade, we will gladly help anyone who asks with the intention of listening. We are far more hostile to people who question our evidence with no intention of listening to our response.

Minime, we'll try and get someone to talk to you about this as soon as possible.

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Manythanx =)

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Nevermind.

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