Ron Paul needs to Wake up!--Stop Dreaming!

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Wow, Gawain, I'm amazed to hear this coming from you of all people. I seem to remember a debate you and I got into with a bunch of people whereby you and I argued that at the end of the day, Islamic fundamentalists, such as Al-Queda, Hizbollah, the Islamic Brotherhood etcetera were really fighting a war of conquest, and they were seeking to 1) reestablish the Caliphate and 2) fulfill the goal of the original Caliphate of one world Caliphate, with Sh'aria law universal.

I still feel that way. All he did was show how these people came to power.

I'm surprised by your dramatic shift of opinion to the idea that in fact we're responsible for their actions by having a non-isolationist foreign policy. When exactly did you have this change of heart?

I havent shifted opinion. I said its too late now. It would be nice if we could go back in time but we cant. Look were not perfect. Ill admit weve made some pretty bad mistakes and made bigger ones trying to fix them. Such is the way of the world.

We are minding our business when defending ourselves, though.

No we are not. But who was attacking us in the 50s?

eah, cause that approach worked so well for us in 1940.

Until FDR drug us into ww2. How many years did it take him?

[Odin]

Until FDR drug us into ww2. How many years did it take him?

There once was a man named Wilson, who drug us into too WWI, place the blame at his feet. FDR might have wanted to go, but his hand was forced by mr hirihito in japan.

[Don Corleone]

I havent shifted opinion. I said its too late now. It would be nice if we could go back in time but we cant. Look were not perfect. Ill admit weve made some pretty bad mistakes and made bigger ones trying to fix them. Such is the way of the world?

Sorry, old friend, you cannot have it both ways. Either the US is responsible for the terrorism directed against it around the globe due to errors in its foregin policy (a claim you made above) or this terrorism is the vanguard action of a people too impotent to do anything more yet dreams of our destruction and a world with them in charge (a position I've seen you take before, and one which I continue to endorese). They're mutually exclusive, you cannot argue 'both'.

Until FDR drug us into ww2. How many years did it take him?

Do you really think we would have been able to take on Japan and Nazi Germany after they had gotten done with everyone else? Would you really have sat back and watched them take over the entire globe without raising a finger until they actually got around to us? FDR didn't drag us into WW2, we were already in it. He just got us to get our head out of our and start fighting back, and it took us far too long at that.