what are the cycles of telamon ?

[russia almighty]

What are these . I see them referenced in the quotes in EB .

[Ravenic]

That's been bugging me for awhile too... Cycles of Telam, Don, and what not.

My best guess is it was a type of council between Celtic leaders.

[Sarcasm]

Actually they're dark age collections, of earlier stories. Roughly.

[abou]

Cycles are stories that are all connected, but you do not need to start with the first one chronologically when telling them. You also see them in Greek myth. The Theban cycle, for example.

[I of the Storm]

From how they sound, I'd put them somewhere in celtic Britain... but who wrote them up? That's what I would be interested in.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I *belive* those particular cycles are Irish. More generally an Epic Cycle is a mythic narrative formed of the various quasi-historical tales.

Beowulf is all that remains of a much larger Anglo-Norse cycle while the Iliad and Odyssey are all that remain of the Greek Epic Cycle. In the case of the latter it stretches from the Beggining to after the Trojan War but moist of it is lost to us, though we do know much of the narrative.

[The Celt]

I *belive* those particular cycles are Irish. More generally an Epic Cycle is a mythic narrative formed of the various quasi-historical tales.

Beowulf is all that remains of a much larger Anglo-Norse cycle while the Iliad and Odyssey are all that remain of the Greek Epic Cycle. In the case of the latter it stretches from the Beggining to after the Trojan War but moist of it is lost to us, though we do know much of the narrative.

What about the Ring of the Nibelungs?(sp?) Thats slightly connected to Beowulf isn't it?

[russia almighty]

^Is it wrong I thought you said lord of the rings there for a second?

[I Am Herenow]

Oh, and on a similar note, who is Telam duaNam?? Looking at EB and how much they quote him, you'd think this guy was more famous than Caesar!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

What about the Ring of the Nibelungs?(sp?) Thats slightly connected to Beowulf isn't it?

Sorry, yes they are part of the same cycle and they are also, at some point connected to the Icelandic Sagas. Beowulf is all that remains in the English tradition though, and it has recieved a Christian gloss.

[The Celt]

/\Thats what I thought.

^Is it wrong I thought you said lord of the rings there for a second?

Nope. The Ring of The Nibelungs are what Tolkien based LOTR on mostly. They are a very old Germanic "epic" saga, and I think Germany, Denmark, Norway, Iceland and possibly Sweden have their own versions of the story. As Philipvs mentioned the Anglo-Saxons knew this story as well, but the Normans destroyed most of their culture and folk stories of which Beowulf is the lone survivor.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

I must recommend to read the Nibelungen to everybody. Great piece of literature IMHO.

[russia almighty]

I guess that forces us to make our own modern Germanic inspired epics . Not LOTR style but ones with naked berserker's or bands of badasses going around kicking ass .

[Bonny]

What about the Ring of the Nibelungs?(sp?) Thats slightly connected to Beowulf isn't it?

I have read a theroy that the Nibelungen are based on the events around Arminius and his battle against the Romans in the Teuteburger Forest..

[The Celt]

I have read a theroy that the Nibelungen are based on the events around Arminius and his battle against the Romans in the Teuteburger Forest..

Now thats interesting. Wonder if its true?

[pockettank]

haha thats pretty cool cuz it being the end of the school year my English teacher (who's obsessed w/ mythology and stuff [which i am to 8-)]) is letting us read Beowulf cuz its not long and we get out of school June 7th =D

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

I have read a theroy that the Nibelungen are based on the events around Arminius and his battle against the Romans in the Teuteburger Forest..

Yes I've read that too. Arminius is Siegfried, and the Lindwurm (uhh, the Dragon I think in English) is supposed to be the three legions on the march. Hagen von Tronje could be one of those who betrayed and killed him later. Also the thing with Kunigunde (Thusnelda) who revenged him later could be inspired from his own kidnapping of Thusnelda.

Edit: Anyone seen "The 13th Warrior"? This movie is based on a novel by Michael Chrichton, and this is based on Beowulf. And when Beowulf = Nibelungen, than... remember that the vikings in the beginning said they were harassed by a Dragon, what was later revealed as the Neanderthalians on the march...

[I Am Herenow]

Guys, who is Telam duaNam??

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yes I've read that too. Arminius is Siegfried, and the Lindwurm (uhh, the Dragon I think in English) is supposed to be the three legions on the march. Hagen von Tronje could be one of those who betrayed and killed him later. Also the thing with Kunigunde (Thusnelda) who revenged him later could be inspired from his own kidnapping of Thusnelda.

Edit: Anyone seen "The 13th Warrior"? This movie is based on a novel by Michael Chrichton, and this is based on Beowulf. And when Beowulf = Nibelungen, than... remember that the vikings in the beginning said they were harassed by a Dragon, what was later revealed as the Neanderthalians on the march...

Beowulf is seperate and, apart from Beowulf, most of the characters can be identified with real historical persons from around the 2nd Century AD irrc. It is now thought that Geatland may be what is modern Northern Sweden and that the Geats were forced out and accross the water the Britain.

[tk-421]

Guys, who is Telam duaNam??

I've often wondered that myself.