What Should Israel Do? (Poll, with actual poll attached)

**Fragony** · 05-27-2007, 14:51

Originally Posted by Zaknafien

for the love of (Insert fake deity here), who could possibly support something as brutal as option A?

Click on the numbers and you'll see who

**Marshal Murat** · 05-27-2007, 15:02

Is there a single site with the maps?

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 05-27-2007, 16:49

What the Palestinian experts said they wanted was for the Palestinian refugees to be allowed to return to the homes that they own and have the legal papers to prove they own yet they were kicked out of in 1948. And for Israel to be given a new name and allow all Palestinians to live on the land with the Jews under the new name.

Seems pretty reasonable.

It does

So we rename Israel what? And now in this new Palestinian state can all the Jewish refugees be allowed to return to the homes that they own and have the legal papers to prove they own yet they were kicked out of in 1948. And for Palestine to be given a new name and allow all Jews to live on the land with the Palestinians under the new name ?

**Crazed Rabbit** · 05-27-2007, 16:52

A

I'm of the opinion that when someone wages war against you, you wage war against them.

CR

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 05-27-2007, 16:54

Warmonger

You need to start a dialogue with them Whats wrong with you?

**Pannonian** · 05-27-2007, 17:38

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Warmonger

You need to start a dialogue with them Whats wrong with you?

It's the kind of mentality that sent you to Vietnam all those years ago. McNamara eventually learnt his lesson, but it seems Rabbit is yet to.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Back the PLO, the lesser of many evils. 1967 borders should be fine, arabs wanted to fight and lost. Stop the colonists, stop frustrating palestinian economy, build wall, and in general stop being such bully's. If you got to hit hard, and they should when it's necesary imvho, you got to be the better person.

All levels of Hamas have indicated that they will be satisfied with a return to 1967 borders. There won't be a formal cessation of war, merely a 10 year ceasefire, but the formula and the process by which it was arrived at replicate the process by which the IRA drew down their operations. If the Israelis are smart, they should take this up, look to make it permanent sometime in the future, and strengthen the mainstream Palestinian factions so they can clamp down on rogue violence. That is, of course, if they are really looking for peace, which I doubt more and more.

AFAICS, Israel wants the land, or at least those bits they deem valuable, but they don't want the Palestinians that go with them, fearing their incorporation will endanger the Jewish majority. Hence they have the options of either setting up an Apartheid system, making use of the cheap Palestinian labour but not allowing them full citizenship, or physically expelling them from the occupied territories. Neither is particularly noble, but they are at least more honest than this current charade whereby they annex land, virtually enslave the Palestinians, yet claim the moral high ground.

**Navaros** · 05-27-2007, 17:55

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

So we rename Israel what? And now in this new Palestinian state

Their idea was not for it to be a Palestinian state but rather for it to be a Jewish/Palestinian state.

I must be honest that the Palestinian experts were very evasive and non-responsive when the moderator of the discussion asked them what the new name should be. I got the impression that they thought sweeping the name change issue under the rug until it it is just about to happen will help them actually reach that goal of a Jewish/Palestinian state and they think if they talk about it beforehand even though a name change is their intention, then it will shutdown their goal prematurely.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 05-27-2007, 18:01

It's the kind of mentality that sent you to Vietnam all those years ago. McNamara eventually learnt his lesson, but it seems Rabbit is yet to.

You disagree with what I said?

All levels of Hamas have indicated that they will be satisfied with a return to 1967 borders.

Except in their charter LOL.

There won't be a formal cessation of war, merely a 10 year ceasefire,

So that they can build up their forces and infrastruture and renew their attacks on Israel.

If the Israelis are smart, they should take this up, look to make it permanent sometime in the future

How many times have the Israelis given up land for peace? Has it worked?

fearing their incorporation will endanger the Jewish majority

Isnt in danger already? And if as you say they have an Apartheid system who cares how many Muslims are there? Theve got millions already. Unlike the number of Jews in surrounding nations.