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    Default I love being European, but sometimes I feel very, very ashamed

    There was a story on the abandonment of illegal immigrants to their fate last week that I nearly posted, but now we have gone even further.

    Illegal immigration is a major problem for us in Europe, but surely we can still think of these people as human? Years of deriding poverty-stricken people who are so desperate for a new life as spongers, feckless, and worse have led to us being able to treat them like this.

    If you have the stomach for it, look at the photo on the home page. Think of each one of those tiny, terrified people being dragged through the Mediterranean as yourself, what you would feel looking at your wife and child clinging to a tuna net.



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    Europe's shame

    By Peter Popham in Rome
    Published: 28 May 2007


    For three days and three nights, these African migrants clung desperately to life. Their means of survival is a tuna net, being towed across the Mediterranean by a Maltese tug that refused to take them on board after their frail boat sank.

    Malta and Libya, where they had embarked on their perilous journey, washed their hands of them. Eventually, they were rescued by the Italian navy.

    The astonishing picture shows them hanging on to the buoys that support the narrow runway that runs around the top of the net. They had had practically nothing to eat or drink.

    Last night, on the island of Lampedusa, the 27 young men - from Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Sudan and other countries - told of their ordeal. As their flimsy boat from Libya floundered adrift for six days, two fishing boats failed to rescue them. On Wednesday, the Maltese boat, the Budafel allowed them to mount the walkway but refused to have them on board.

    This is the latest snapshot from the killing seas of the southern Mediterranean, the stretch of water at the European Union's southern gate that the UN High Commissioner for Refugees says "has become like the Wild West, where human life has no value any more and people are left to their fate".

    On Friday, The Independent reported how a Maltese plane photographed a crazily overloaded boat in this area carrying 53 Eritreans, several of whom telephoned desperate pleas for help to relatives in London, Italy and Malta. The boat disappeared with all hands before anything was done to save them. They died, not because help was unavailable, but because no-one wanted to do anything. Malta is full up. Libya, where these voyages begin, takes no responsibility. One might think that the EU's new frontiers agency, Frontex, had a part to play. But its "rapid response team" remains on the drawing board.

    Frontex is expected to begin joint patrols in the Mediterranean shortly, following a brief pilot programme last year. But the critical stretch between Malta and Libya is to be controlled by Malta and Greece, and the hard-nosed attitude of the Maltese in recent weeks does not inspire optimism.

    The Maltese captain of the Budafel refused to land the men, he later explained, because he had $1m-worth of tuna in the pen. If he had taken them to Malta, the trip would have taken 12 days, given the tug's slow speed. There, he would have found himself in the middle of a diplomatic wrangle. "I couldn't take the risk of losing this catch," he said.

    The captain informed the Maltese authorities. The Maltese phoned the Libyans - the Africans were about 60 miles from the Libyan coast, within Libya's area of competence for search and rescue. Libya said they would send a helicopter to the spot and throw down a life raft. Malta - by this point Prime Minister Lawrence Gonzi had become directly involved - said that was unacceptable. They gave Malta's armed forces the task of persuading the Libyans to pick the men up.

    The 27 had by this point spent three days and nights standing on the walkway, which is 18 inches wide. The Budafel's captain said he wouldn't mind being on the walkway for an hour. Any longer - under the fierce sun, or in the chill of the night - no thanks.

    The Libyan government eventually sent a fax saying they would pick the men up. But no help arrived. The Maltese steadfastly refused to take the initiative. In the past five days, 157 illegal immigrants have come ashore on the Maltese coast. The small island is full to capacity. The impasse continued all Saturday.

    By a stroke of luck an Italian navy vessel, Orione, was not far away: last week Libya had given Italy permission to search for the 53 doomed Eritreans, and it was still in the area, still searching.

    The Italian navy dispatched first a plane and then the Orione. By 9pm on Saturday night, after more than 70 hours clinging to the pen, they were on their way to Sicily. Last night, they were reported to be weak and exhausted but out of danger. For them it's a happy ending. But in the past five days, sources in Malta say four other boats have gone down, with the loss of about 120 lives. As Laura Boldrini of the UNHCR puts it, "setting off across the Mediterranean in these boats is a game of Russian roulette".

    Up to 10,000 people are believed to have drowned trying to cross the Mediterranean from Africa. The passage from west Africa to the Canary Islands is no less perilous. In Spain, where shocking images of a dozen dead would-be migrants in their boat were published in newspapers last week, estimates of the total number of dead run as high as 7,000.

    "Governments must encourage fishermen to save human life," says Laura Boldrini. "Now they fear that if they help, they can be stuck for days and weeks. But international maritime law says governments have a duty to allow the speedy disembarkation of people rescued at sea. We say, let's save human lives first. This must be the priority for all the parties involved."
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    Jaysus. Leaving people to die for tuna, is a tad harsh. Kudos to the italians though, while Malta and Lybia were trying to outmanoevre each other, they were the only ones who did something...

    Is it just me, or emi/immi - gration procedures in the N.African - Southern European countries need to be revisited?

    And there is also the fact that Lybia should be ashamed. 53 of their citizens frowning, while they bicker on the phone...
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    Hopefully there is a law to throw some ship's captain into a dark hole somewhere
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redleg
    Hopefully there is a law to throw some ship's captain into a dark hole somewhere
    It certainly does seem to violate what I thought was the overriding duty of a captain at sea, namely to save lives, doesn't it?

    Rather like those everest mountaineers who walk past dying bodies on their way to the summit, every one of whom dishonours the memories of real mountaineers everywhere. But I digress.

    The captain is but a small, small cog in a big machine though. If illegal immigrants were received politely, given a shower, a meal, and clean set of clothes, and then put on a flight back to [whereever] in under 12 hours, then the captain might have taken them on board, and indeed the immigrants might stop coming.

    Oh yeah, and stabilising the countries they come from would also be good, although I confess I have very little idea how you start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by English assassin
    It certainly does seem to violate what I thought was the overriding duty of a captain at sea, namely to save lives, doesn't it?

    Rather like those everest mountaineers who walk past dying bodies on their way to the summit, every one of whom dishonours the memories of real mountaineers everywhere. But I digress.

    The captain is but a small, small cog in a big machine though. If illegal immigrants were received politely, given a shower, a meal, and clean set of clothes, and then put on a flight back to [whereever] in under 12 hours, then the captain might have taken them on board, and indeed the immigrants might stop coming.

    Oh yeah, and stabilising the countries they come from would also be good, although I confess I have very little idea how you start.
    Stabilising is a funny word when applied to a country. A country can be stable and yet its population be so desperate so as to prefer a week of sea to staying home.

    If is, however in the best interest of Europe to aid in the development of, at least those countries that serve as the port from which these immigrants set off. Namely those in the mediterranean basin, and the NW African coast.

    This being said, though, some discipline must be applied too. Something akin to what's happening with IRan's nuclear program. Severe penalties should be imposed if immigration systems are not revamped, and local economy not developed.

    I mean, being a government kind of means that some responsibilty must be taken...
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    I mean, being a government kind of means that some responsibilty must be taken...
    Sadly not the case in Africa.
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    I read about this earlier. Astonishing, quite astonishing. I'm not making excuses for the skipper of the trawler but wasn't there a problem a while back with a Spanish fisherman picking up the survivors of a sinking boat. Then he was not allowed to sail into port because of the illegals?

    On another note, a guy who I do business with was in the Canaries last year. There he was sunning himself on the beach, sunblock 25 applied, nice cold beer in hand, when these 'people' suddenly appeared on the shore. Their boat was sinking and they were in a bad way. He said that these guys were on the verge of death. The holidaymakers ran to them, proffering bottles of mineral water. He said that he'd never seen folks in such a dire condition. He was very impressed about how the tourists responded, but like he said, "What were we supposed to do?", "They were dying in front of our eyes and we were all sat there drinking beer and eating barsnacks in our swimming trunks".

    Sort of makes the 'problem' a little more human doesn't it?
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

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    I think I will never buy Maltanese tunea.


    Anyway have you heard news from Russia.
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    It's nice to see the Italian navy picking them up.

    How did they survive clinging to that net without any fresh water?
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    on these boards we often see quite a few posters who believe the capitalist form of civilization is a great benefit and there is nothing wrong with it - this story shows how wrong this is, as with any capitalist society a life has a price tag - the tuna were worth more than the immigrants and so the captain chose the right choice (by the capitalist view point) - any civilization that values a item (the fish in this case) less than a human life is in severe need of a shake up - currently no government would reimburse the loss's the captain would have taken if he had delivered the immigrants and so the fish are far more valuable...

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    They should not have broken the law. What happened to them is no one's fault but their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Moody
    on these boards we often see quite a few posters who believe the capitalist form of civilization is a great benefit and there is nothing wrong with it - this story shows how wrong this is, as with any capitalist society a life has a price tag - the tuna were worth more than the immigrants and so the captain chose the right choice (by the capitalist view point) - any civilization that values a item (the fish in this case) less than a human life is in severe need of a shake up - currently no government would reimburse the loss's the captain would have taken if he had delivered the immigrants and so the fish are far more valuable...
    the real failure here is that of the government rather than capitalism.

    the captain was aware that there was precedent for detaining fishing boats for extended periods whilst investigations into illegal immigration went on.

    he was sat on $1m in tuna, which may well have spoiled before he was able to market it.

    his fishing boat is probably on a huge mortgage which he may lose due to being unable to make repayments after losing £1m in tuna (a months worth?).

    having lost his boat, he may well end up bankrupt, then it will be his children that go without food.

    the captain was wrong not to allow them on board, his government was equally bad for putting him in an invidious position whereby he may lose everything he owns for no good reason, if he does the right thing.

    i have very little sympathy with the illegal immigrants however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
    Illegal immigration is a major problem for us in Europe, but surely we can still think of these people as human?
    Horrible as it may be, that tuna net was the captain's decision, not EU policy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II
    Horrible as it may be, that tuna net was the captain's decision, not EU policy...
    You are right of course, but the EU's abysmal policies on immigration lead to these kind of decisions being taken. That captain is just one among many - at least he gave them a tuna net to cling to, most sail on by. The story illustrates not just one instance of inhumanity, but the bankruptcy of Europe's immigration policy.

    The northern countries which are the destination of many of these migrants put enormous pressure on the frontier countries and the Magreb, without an awful lot in the way of practical support. Indeed, they mostly get condemnation, as happened to Spain a couple of years ago for granting an amnesty. Everyone blames everyone else, so it's no wonder that the more unscrupulous think that landing their tuna is far preferable to the blame game.

    The flow of migrants is not going to stop - with desertification and economic disaster encroaching around the Sahel, it is only going to increase. Instead of trying to shape a Fortress Europe policy that is bound to fail - politicians should look at a map of Europe for once and measure the borders, alongside a consideration of the enormous courage human beings can show to overcome adversity - we need to be imaginative.

    Most importantly would be to set up mechanisms whereby it is attractive for people to stay in their own countries, and pathways for workers to immigrate legally and without relying on traffickers. The economic costs of uncontrolled immigration are high and getting higher - it would be worth our while investing in such proactive measures. Politically however, it gets harder and harder to sell the idea, as more politicians grab the populist, anti-immigration placards and in so doing, make the immigrants faceless and inhuman.

    At its hardest, the suggestion made earlier to rescue, feed, process and then deport back within 24 hours would at least have the merit of humanity.

    Hoping that they will all drown and thus go away is a policy only PanzerJager would be proud of.
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    Sucks to be them, but hey it's getting kinda crowded. Let's not forget that they are victims of the human-trafficking industry, a very cynical industry that costs thousands of lifes a year.

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    This is not totally related, but the Spanish teacher at our school (who is actually Canadian but lived in Spain for 15 years) was telling us about one time when she was living in Valencia (I think it was) she was called out in the middle of the night by Spanish authorities who wanted a French translator because they'd found an illegal immigrant from Africa hidden in a shipping container.

    So she went down and it was a young African boy and all she could see was his teeth and eyes through the slit in the shipping container since he wasn't allowed out. She said it was one of the hardest things she'd ever done telling him how he wasn't allowed to get out of the container and was going to be sent back to his country.

    Yes I am in favour of open borders. I don't see why people should suffer just because of some silly fear of a hostile takeover. We get lots of immigrants here, particularly from Asia, particularly in Auckland. My mother helped teach a really nice Sri Lankan lady English and helped her gain her citizenship. They are very good friends of our family now and some of the stories she has of the civil war there are quite unreal.

    They say Auckland is turning Asian, and to some extents that is true, but I'm not worried. Reading the Aeneid in Classics this year and it is a story of refugees who end up settling in a new land and making it great.

    There can be positives to immigration as well people! For starters Sri Lankan food is really nice.

    Anyway, that's my 10 cents worth.

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    We don't have enough houses, not enough schools not enough work. There is nothing for these people here. And each and every one of them takes the place of someone who may actually need shelter, the real refugees, the ones we are doing it for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hepcat
    There can be positives to immigration as well people! For starters Sri Lankan food is really nice.
    I've said it before and I'll say it again: I would have starved to death if it wasn't for immigration. Norwegian food tastes utterly crap. If I hadn't had access to the indish, pakistani, turkish, etc food, life wouldn't be worth living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
    You are right of course, but the EU's abysmal policies on immigration lead to these kind of decisions being taken. That captain is just one among many - at least he gave them a tuna net to cling to, most sail on by. The story illustrates not just one instance of inhumanity, but the bankruptcy of Europe's immigration policy.
    Great post again, but a hard act to realise.

    Some people will behave callously in any economic system (capitalism is no exception) and within any political entity. Maritime law is rather ambiguous when it comes to rights and obligations on the high seas. There is no effecient mechanism that would compensate for the loss of the fisherman's tuna. I agree with you however that on European territory (including European territorial waters) we could and should do more.

    Proactive policies are already in place, but they are often counterproductive in the sense that projecting European wealth and lifestyles into poor areas invites more migration rather then less. Controlled migration may be a solution, though I fail to see how the public would swallow this without severe restrictions that make it practically redundant (for instance a clause that controlled migration should fill a demonstrable shortage of labour in the host country).

    Yes, we need to be imaginative, Banquo's Ghost. I guess I just lack the imagination right now. Many productive policies are impossible to sell to the mass of Europeans with their present attitude, as exemplified by some posts above.
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