Results 1 to 6 of 6

Thread: Aussie bar's conviviality at stake, bans straight men and lesbians

  1. #1
    Member Senior Member Proletariat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Far up in the Magnolia Tree.
    Posts
    3,550

    Default Aussie bar's conviviality at stake, bans straight men and lesbians

    No idea why, but this story makes me laugh. Seems like a gay bar was invaded by a bachlorette party who did enough gawking at the cute gay men at a bar in Melbourne, that the patrons said enough was enough, and banned heterosexuals.

    I love this bit.

    In her findings, the tribunal's deputy president, Cate McKenzie, said Monday that to allow large numbers of non-gays onto the premises could "undermine or destroy" the convivial atmosphere the Peel Hotel sought to create for gay men.
    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...ia-Gay-Bar.php

  2. #2
    Jillian & Allison's Daddy Senior Member Don Corleone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Athens, GA
    Posts
    7,588

    Default Re: Aussie bar's conviviality at stake, bans straight men and lesbians

    So it's okay to be a bigot, so long as you belong to a PC protected group?

    The right to discriminate cannot be selectively applied. We either ram integration down everyone's throats, or we allow everyone free association. I wonder how these gents would feel if a bar posted a sign "All men frequenting this bar must be straight. Gay and straight women welcome. No gay men allowed".
    "A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
    Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.

    "Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
    Strike for the South

  3. #3
    The Black Senior Member Papewaio's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    15,670

    Default Re: Aussie bar's conviviality at stake, bans straight men and lesbians

    Same deal as women only gyms.

    I don't agree with it and I do think it is discriminatory, the easy test is to reverse the situation and see if that is fair.

    Mind you there isn't any gay clubs I'd want to get into, so it isn't limiting what I can or can't do. However if all clubs had this policy it certainly would make me feel like a second class citizen. Human Rights aren't an exclusive format to any one group, it has to be available to all or it is available to none.
    Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
    Pape for global overlord!!
    Quote Originally Posted by English assassin
    Squid sources report that scientists taste "sort of like chicken"
    Quote Originally Posted by frogbeastegg View Post
    The rest is either as average as advertised or, in the case of the missionary, disappointing.

  4. #4
    Guest Boyar Son's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    MIA, Florida
    Posts
    1,656

    Default Re: Aussie bar's conviviality at stake, bans straight men and lesbians

    Well its easy for a straight or lesbian people not to go into a gay mens bar...

  5. #5
    Insomniac and tired of it Senior Member Slyspy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    England
    Posts
    1,868

    Default Re: Aussie bar's conviviality at stake, bans straight men and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    So it's okay to be a bigot, so long as you belong to a PC protected group?

    The right to discriminate cannot be selectively applied. We either ram integration down everyone's throats, or we allow everyone free association. I wonder how these gents would feel if a bar posted a sign "All men frequenting this bar must be straight. Gay and straight women welcome. No gay men allowed".
    Check the quote in the OP. "Large numbers". In this case it sounds like a hen party turning up to stare at the regulars and play the "fag-hag" for the evening. The owners of the bar have reacted in order to maintain their customer base. What if it had been a group of guys coming in looking for trouble?

    I know of plenty of premises which don't allow stag and hen parties, for example, because the income isn't worth the disruption and damage to normal business.

    In this case the bar owners have decided to ban heterosexuals which IMO wrong. You should not more ban people based on their sexuality than you should ban based on their skin colour.

    Just turn large parties away at the door unless they have previously booked. Turn away or throw out disruptive individuals as you would anywhere else.

    Easy.

    Edit:

    I see no bigotry in this case, merely an unwise business decision followed by a well-meaning but misguided official judgement.
    Last edited by Slyspy; 05-30-2007 at 13:09.
    "Put 'em in blue coats, put 'em in red coats, the bastards will run all the same!"

    "The English are a strange people....They came here in the morning, looked at the wall, walked over it, killed the garrison and returned to breakfast. What can withstand them?"

  6. #6

    Default Re: Aussie bar's conviviality at stake, bans straight men and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyspy
    Check the quote in the OP. "Large numbers". In this case it sounds like a hen party turning up to stare at the regulars and play the "fag-hag" for the evening. The owners of the bar have reacted in order to maintain their customer base. What if it had been a group of guys coming in looking for trouble?

    I know of plenty of premises which don't allow stag and hen parties, for example, because the income isn't worth the disruption and damage to normal business.

    In this case the bar owners have decided to ban heterosexuals which IMO wrong. You should not more ban people based on their sexuality than you should ban based on their skin colour.

    Just turn large parties away at the door unless they have previously booked. Turn away or throw out disruptive individuals as you would anywhere else.

    Easy.

    Edit:

    I see no bigotry in this case, merely an unwise business decision followed by a well-meaning but misguided official judgement.
    I believe the bigotry comes in the official decision when the court should have given the owner your advice about large parties and hen/stag nights.

    I agree with Don, if you can't ban gays/women/blacks you can't ban straights/men/whites. I think the owner doing his job and running a decent pub could have sorted all this out without turning to courts, if I started making the regulars feel uncomfortable or threatened in a pub I would expect a warning to calm down and then an order to leave, doesn't matter who or what the regulars are, even if I was upsetting the regulars dogs.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO