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    What is in your opinion the "worst" or least useful unit, and why do you think so?

    Personally I would say Pantodapoi.

    The Good: They are numerous and cheap, so are relatively useful as garrison troops.
    The Bad: They can't fight, sure their attack isn't to bad relatively, but they have no armor, no skill and a shield that is useless and provides almost no protection against arrows (or anything else for that matter).

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    Armored elephants
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    pontic bodyguards. Look strong, turn out just to be silly.

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    Any and all chariots.


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    galatikoi kludidon. i hate em, they rout in 5 seconds...

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    Pantodapoi
    Certainly the weakest unit I've seen so far.
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    Pantodapoi, Nizag Gund, Artish Pada, all kinds of skirmisher cavalry.

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    Pantodapoi are fodder and garrison units, so that figures.
    Galatian kludidon OTOH are awesome light infantry, not useless at all.

    Toxotai are teh suck. Their only use (wich slingers can't fulfill) is that you can put them on city walls to torch siege engines. Since they're the crappiest archer unit in range and power, you should only bother them if no regional archers are available.
    However considering they're dirt cheap they make good garrisons that also have some use in siege battles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralizec
    Pantodapoi are fodder and garrison units, so that figures.
    Galatian kludidon OTOH are awesome light infantry, not useless at all.

    Toxotai are teh suck. Their only use (wich slingers can't fulfill) is that you can put them on city walls to torch siege engines. Since they're the crappiest archer unit in range and power, you should only bother them if no regional archers are available.
    However considering they're dirt cheap they make good garrisons that also have some use in siege battles.
    well, personally i would have to disagree with you there, in most of my Greek armies where they are readily available I use them to counter slingers, since i am strict about not using slingers unless its accensi or another weak version of slingers, and they are pretty effective at this job (im talking about the toxotai of course, not pantodapoi
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus
    Any and all chariots.
    Try scythed chariots combined with heavy cavalry charging the weakest flank. Especially with Seleucids.

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    Hmm there are a lot for this.
    All Eastern Javelin Cavalry, Toxotai, Balearic Light Infantry, Hoplitai Haploi, etc

    But my number one is Celtic Chairots-Can't kill anything with their missiles or meele, and a slight breeze can wipe out whole units.
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    Hum, I have to disagree with most of you, since I dont think any unit is useless.
    There are some very weak units like the pantodapoi, but I can always give some use to them, using them to distract enemy phalanxs to attack them from the back with cavalary (even skirmisher cavalry are good enought to this job) or shock troops.

    And with the elephants or the scythe chariots I have to fully disagree since they are an battle winning force , you just need to use them right and carefully.

    And the toxotai, they helped me an lot at the start of my epirus campain, helping me to have greater numbers with small costs while facing the lots of mak stacks and they worked very well.



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    To be honest, I think normal elephants are the worst: they usually rout and die randomly, and ANY form of projectile will instakill them! Especially as they cost a small fortune and are hard to get (especially for factions that have conquered the territory which produces elephants).

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Am Herenow
    To be honest, I think normal elephants are the worst: they usually rout and die randomly, and ANY form of projectile will instakill them! Especially as they cost a small fortune and are hard to get (especially for factions that have conquered the territory which produces elephants).
    i put armored as worst because they have significantly higher upkeep than regulars, and only get +2 defense bonus
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    Quote Originally Posted by blank
    i put armored as worst because they have significantly higher upkeep than regulars, and only get +2 defense bonus
    Wow. Seriously? That's wack.

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    Anyone who recruits Pantodapoi on purpose for garrison duty, when there is an alternative, has to be out of his mind (or a stickler for historical accuracy, which is OK). Archers and skirmisher units are cheaper to recruit and keep on hand and much more useful, and make fine garrison troops. They even manage to fight off phalanxes, which is more than can be said of Pantodapoi.

    I personally prefer to use Eastern skirmishers for garrison.

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    Pantodapoi are much better garrison troops than slingers or archers in terms of keeping order in the city. The game determines the effectiveness of a garrison by number of men not number of units. Slingers and archers are better for actual defense though.
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    Although truth be told you can usually well afford maintaing two units of slingers or archers with the upkeep of one Pantodapoi unit, so...
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    Would say that any and most types of eastern infantry units are the most mediocre in the game. But truefully, even they could be a war-winning force if properly supported by specialists. Only a bad workman always blames his tools. I would use soldiers like the pantodapoi to form the bulk of city garrisons. But if they are available to me, then I would recruit missile troops to assist them in the city's defence. In theory, archers, slingmen and such would be standing watch on the city's ramparts, while the pantodapoi companies, in addition of their defensive duties, would police the local populace and discourage rebellion.

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    Toxotai for me. Enough said. Toxotai have no use in my army as anti-slingers, too, since I readily avail myself of whatever slingers are available. I have no qualms about using them, but I do have qualms about how much missile units I use per army: two. Especially my Romani now, who have only 2 units of Iaosatae, who are about to phased out in favour of another two units of Neitos.


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    Toxitai.
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    Lugoe




    The AI will make stacks of them, and they all die so easily.

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    The big catapaults.
    maybe those guys should be doing something more useful...

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    Lugoae are good for garrisons, imho. 240 unit size is not to be scoffed at.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pezhetairoi
    Lugoae are good for garrisons, imho. 240 unit size is not to be scoffed at.
    hey lugoae are teh pwnzorz, i beat back several Seleukid stacks with them when Ankyra rebelled to me
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    Toxotai, Lugoae...
    Or the Galatian Kluddolon.
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    The best use for those light spearmen is mauling heavy cav like Thessalians or Hetairoi. I know what you're thinking but if you can kill 25% of the unit by bogging them down with a unit or Parthian spears they're out of the battle and even if you don't finish them off later you've really hurt the enemy for the next battle.
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    Galatian Kluddolon
    I'm amazed that some people find them to be so bad. They have solid stats for light infantry combined with fast moving and very good stamina. If you'r up against the Getai, they're pretty effective at taking down those Drapanai or Thraikoi Peltastai whereas most other units would suffer an anti-armour penalty.

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    I really like the Kluddolon too, I find them to be effective against both anti-armor shock troops and against skirmishers as well as being pretty good flankers in a pinch.
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    For the worst, I would have to say the toxotai.

    As for the Galatian Kluddolon, in my Mak campaign, they form the bulk of my army that is stationed in Makedonia, and with a good general can defeat armies as big or bigger by the KH, Epeiros, or Getai, that have more heavily armored troops.

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