"Worst" Unit

**kalkwerk** · 06-02-2007, 11:49

pontic bodyguards. Look strong, turn out just to be silly.

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 06-02-2007, 11:51

Any and all chariots.

**antiochus epiphanes** · 06-02-2007, 13:58

galatikoi kludidon. i hate em, they rout in 5 seconds...

**ElectricEel** · 06-02-2007, 16:47

Pantodapoi

Certainly the weakest unit I've seen so far.

**Centurio Nixalsverdrus** · 06-02-2007, 16:55

Pantodapoi, Nizag Gund, Artish Pada, all kinds of skirmisher cavalry.

**Kralizec** · 06-02-2007, 17:00

Pantodapoi are fodder and garrison units, so that figures.
Galatian kludidon OTOH are awesome light infantry, not useless at all.

Toxotai are teh suck. Their only use (wich slingers can't fulfill) is that you can put them on city walls to torch siege engines. Since they're the crappiest archer unit in range and power, you should only bother them if no regional archers are available.
However considering they're dirt cheap they make good garrisons that also have some use in siege battles.

**Spoofa** · 06-02-2007, 18:28

Originally Posted by Kralizec

Pantodapoi are fodder and garrison units, so that figures.
Galatian kludidon OTOH are awesome light infantry, not useless at all.

Toxotai are teh suck. Their only use (wich slingers can't fulfill) is that you can put them on city walls to torch siege engines. Since they're the crappiest archer unit in range and power, you should only bother them if no regional archers are available.
However considering they're dirt cheap they make good garrisons that also have some use in siege battles.

well, personally i would have to disagree with you there, in most of my Greek armies where they are readily available I use them to counter slingers, since i am strict about not using slingers unless its accensi or another weak version of slingers, and they are pretty effective at this job

(im talking about the toxotai of course, not pantodapoi

**Thaatu** · 06-02-2007, 18:34

Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus

Any and all chariots.

Try scythed chariots combined with heavy cavalry charging the weakest flank. Especially with Seleucids.

**Fondor_Yards** · 06-02-2007, 19:14

Hmm there are a lot for this.
All Eastern Javelin Cavalry, Toxotai, Balearic Light Infantry, Hoplitai Haploi, etc

But my number one is Celtic Chairots-Can't kill anything with their missiles or meele, and a slight breeze can wipe out whole units.

**LusitanianWolf** · 06-02-2007, 19:23

Hum, I have to disagree with most of you, since I dont think any unit is useless.
There are some very weak units like the pantodapoi, but I can always give some use to them, using them to distract enemy phalanxs to attack them from the back with cavalary (even skirmisher cavalry are good enought to this job) or shock troops.

And with the elephants or the scythe chariots I have to fully disagree since they are an battle winning force , you just need to use them right and carefully.

And the toxotai, they helped me an lot at the start of my epirus campain, helping me to have greater numbers with small costs while facing the lots of mak stacks and they worked very well.

**I Am Herenow** · 06-02-2007, 21:31

To be honest, I think normal elephants are the worst: they usually rout and die randomly, and ANY form of projectile will instakill them! Especially as they cost a small fortune and are hard to get (especially for factions that have conquered the territory which produces elephants).

**blank** · 06-02-2007, 21:48

Originally Posted by I Am Herenow

To be honest, I think normal elephants are the worst: they usually rout and die randomly, and ANY form of projectile will instakill them! Especially as they cost a small fortune and are hard to get (especially for factions that have conquered the territory which produces elephants).

i put armored as worst because they have significantly higher upkeep than regulars, and only get +2 defense bonus