"Worst" Unit

[edyzmedieval]

Toxotai, Lugoae...
Or the Galatian Kluddolon.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The best use for those light spearmen is mauling heavy cav like Thessalians or Hetairoi. I know what you're thinking but if you can kill 25% of the unit by bogging them down with a unit or Parthian spears they're out of the battle and even if you don't finish them off later you've really hurt the enemy for the next battle.

[Kralizec]

Galatian Kluddolon

I'm amazed that some people find them to be so bad. They have solid stats for light infantry combined with fast moving and very good stamina. If you'r up against the Getai, they're pretty effective at taking down those Drapanai or Thraikoi Peltastai whereas most other units would suffer an anti-armour penalty.

[QwertyMIDX]

I really like the Kluddolon too, I find them to be effective against both anti-armor shock troops and against skirmishers as well as being pretty good flankers in a pinch.

[Megas Pyrrhos]

For the worst, I would have to say the toxotai.

As for the Galatian Kluddolon, in my Mak campaign, they form the bulk of my army that is stationed in Makedonia, and with a good general can defeat armies as big or bigger by the KH, Epeiros, or Getai, that have more heavily armored troops.

[skuzzy]

about the routing... I've won multiple battles due to the fact that they rout and then the enemy chases after and then they're not longer routing and successfully flank with units that are still in the field. Sort of like hit and run tactics, I find it quite nice especially if you have levy units sitting back there while they rout and just slam enemy units. I don't know, I'm a weird guy -.-

edit: My vote is kataphracts... only because I only usually play western and end up getting smashed by them late game when I'm stretching my empire east. But they are sexy for anybody else :)

[hoom]

Yeah, I haven't exactly used the Galatian Kluddolon much but when I have they seemed to be more effective than I'd expected for a pretty light & cheap unit

[Sdragon]

Kluddolon just die in droves, I prefer the pantodapoi over them since they can beat most light and medium cavalry. Kluddolon take a beating and then run, I struggle to keep them in the fight, their only use is a skirmisher hunter. Toxotai is another bad unit, I bring one per army for variety but they have less attack, less ammo and less men per unit.

[MiniMe]

Elephant drivers.
Never seen them doing anything useful. Lazy zoophiles, scratching some big ear is all they can do.
And they cost you about 1200 per turn if you're using armoured elephants.
Not to mention their clothes look terrible, I wonder how they spent their salary. Must be somehow connected with drugs. Perhaps they spent all they've earned on drugs. Drugs ain't good.

[Kepper]

Form my the worst unit is Pantodapoi there cheap but is there any point on recruit Pantodapoi they are meat for cannon.

[bovi]

Elephant drivers.
Never seen them doing anything useful. Lazy zoophiles, scratching some big ear is all they can do.
And they cost you about 1200 per turn if you're using armoured elephants.
Not to mention their clothes look terrible, I wonder how they spent their salary. Must be somehow connected with drugs. Perhaps they spent all they've earned on drugs. Drugs ain't good.

Nah, it's the elephants that are on drugs:

[Dayve]

Apart from all the obvious ones that have been mentioned in the thread already, i think the early Roman Hastati are horrible at everything. Firstly, you are surrounded by well established enemies. Northern rebels have Gaestae which simply eat them for breakfast, Epirotes have phalangites and Carthage has awesome cavalry and after about 20 turns or so will start pumping out Iberian assault infantry in Lilybeo (at least in my current game they do anyway) and these will chew hastati up.

Aside from that, meager javelin skirmishers will cause HEAVY casualties even if hit from the front, despite their large shields, and if they get charged by heavy cavalry, even from the front, you can say goodbye to that unit... Slingers rip them up hard too.

If it weren't for me being superior to the AI, they would steamroll my first line of Hastati everytime. As it is now, i can usually win a battle with about 30% hastati casualties, but if you leave them fighting for more than 3 minutes without routing the enemy then i usually take around 50-70% casualties.

And lastly, due to it being impossible to gain even 1 command star unless you fight against odds of like 5-1 against you, they route quite often too because my generals usually have 0 command experience, and if my bank balance goes over 1 dinari when i end turn my generals all become connesseurs which give them -2 command also. Not to mention the fact they all have the gloomy trait too which i just can't seem to stop them from getting.

Yeah, add all this up and hastati are crap. I wouldn't be using them if i didn't enjoy playing accurate to history.

[Spoofa]

Apart from all the obvious ones that have been mentioned in the thread already, i think the early Roman Hastati are horrible at everything. Firstly, you are surrounded by well established enemies. Northern rebels have Gaestae which simply eat them for breakfast, Epirotes have phalangites and Carthage has awesome cavalry and after about 20 turns or so will start pumping out Iberian assault infantry in Lilybeo (at least in my current game they do anyway) and these will chew hastati up.

Aside from that, meager javelin skirmishers will cause HEAVY casualties even if hit from the front, despite their large shields, and if they get charged by heavy cavalry, even from the front, you can say goodbye to that unit... Slingers rip them up hard too.

If it weren't for me being superior to the AI, they would steamroll my first line of Hastati everytime. As it is now, i can usually win a battle with about 30% hastati casualties, but if you leave them fighting for more than 3 minutes without routing the enemy then i usually take around 50-70% casualties.

And lastly, due to it being impossible to gain even 1 command star unless you fight against odds of like 5-1 against you, they route quite often too because my generals usually have 0 command experience, and if my bank balance goes over 1 dinari when i end turn my generals all become connesseurs which give them -2 command also. Not to mention the fact they all have the gloomy trait too which i just can't seem to stop them from getting.

Yeah, add all this up and hastati are crap. I wouldn't be using them if i didn't enjoy playing accurate to history.

interesting conclusion, to counter the cavalry tell them to go to defensive formation and they will destroy cavalry after the initial charge, taking only a few casualties, my hastati do an extremely good job for me and im proud of each and every one of them

surely you can find another infantry that is worse then the amazing hastati? ah well though we all are entitled to our own opinions

[QwertyMIDX]

And lastly, due to it being impossible to gain even 1 command star unless you fight against odds of like 5-1 against you, they route quite often too because my generals usually have 0 command experience, and if my bank balance goes over 1 dinari when i end turn my generals all become connesseurs which give them -2 command also. Not to mention the fact they all have the gloomy trait too which i just can't seem to stop them from getting..

Just because your generals don't have tons of command stars doesn't mean they aren't good generals. EB gives out tons of morale traits have a large affect on the battle. Command starts give units stats and morale boost within a certain radius of the general (weird no?), so we mostly use morale increasing traits which affect the whole army and don't give out weird stats bonuses. Finally, characters traits depend a lot more on the sort of character they are than what you do with them, it's not a simple "if I have my character perform action A they get trait B" its a lot more of interaction of events with inclinations and potentials.

[samiosumo has a cave]

i believe that sandy of john travolta total war 3 is the worst unit because she trys(and fails) to molest the opposing team and then she dies of aids

[I Am Herenow]

Instagibbed

What the hell?!

[brymht]

Toxotai. Definately.

[mlp071]

Toxotai. Definately.

Actually, i was using them in my Maks campaign over Cretan archers, with almost same resuts.Plus if anything else , they got flaming arrows , very potent morale killer.Get 2 units of Tox on Gaesatae with fire and generaly they will rout pretty easy.

For 89 mnai upkeep you can't complain with that.

I would say most of javelin cavalry is pretty useless , due to smal number of javelins and low charge ability.You can only chase routers with them , and that's not enough for me to have them.

[pockettank]

i dont see why every1 says Toxatai i love them unless i have Cretans but u cant always have them and toxatai are cheap and to the point and they can do at least some damge to an enemy unless of course the enemy is elite =p

i would have to go with British Generals.. most Chariots are OK for the most part but they lose soldiers to fast and put a general on there and u have a genearl-less army in a few seconds from one stray arrow no joke i had a 6 star general get killed by a Celtic Archer that was aiming at the unit BESIDE the general thats how crappy both Celtic Archers and Chariots are