"Worst" Unit

[Sdragon]

Dayve I'm sure that I've heard you mention before that you play on the harder difficulties, so that alone will mess up your results. On medium difficulty in a traditional Roman formation my Hastati rarely break, even if I don't hit the enemy flank they will hold against anything but the better enemy forces, granted they will take a beating though. My only worry using them is with what you already said, the amount of damage they take against ranged weapons.

[QwertyMIDX]

And lastly, due to it being impossible to gain even 1 command star unless you fight against odds of like 5-1 against you, they route quite often too because my generals usually have 0 command experience, and if my bank balance goes over 1 dinari when i end turn my generals all become connesseurs which give them -2 command also. Not to mention the fact they all have the gloomy trait too which i just can't seem to stop them from getting..

Just because your generals don't have tons of command stars doesn't mean they aren't good generals. EB gives out tons of morale traits have a large affect on the battle. Command starts give units stats and morale boost within a certain radius of the general (weird no?), so we mostly use morale increasing traits which affect the whole army and don't give out weird stats bonuses. Finally, characters traits depend a lot more on the sort of character they are than what you do with them, it's not a simple "if I have my character perform action A they get trait B" its a lot more of interaction of events with inclinations and potentials.

[bovi]

Elephant drivers.
Never seen them doing anything useful. Lazy zoophiles, scratching some big ear is all they can do.
And they cost you about 1200 per turn if you're using armoured elephants.
Not to mention their clothes look terrible, I wonder how they spent their salary. Must be somehow connected with drugs. Perhaps they spent all they've earned on drugs. Drugs ain't good.

Nah, it's the elephants that are on drugs:

[brymht]

Toxotai. Definately.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Just because your generals don't have tons of command stars doesn't mean they aren't good generals. EB gives out tons of morale traits have a large affect on the battle. Command starts give units stats and morale boost within a certain radius of the general (weird no?), so we mostly use morale increasing traits which affect the whole army and don't give out weird stats bonuses. Finally, characters traits depend a lot more on the sort of character they are than what you do with them, it's not a simple "if I have my character perform action A they get trait B" its a lot more of interaction of events with inclinations and potentials.

Yes, EBs traits are awesome. I just had a young general, who was known for his "doubtful courage". Then he had to fight a hard battle, with the enemy attacking from front and rear, where he performed some brave charges into the enemy. After the battle, the "doubtful courage" trait was removed, plus another "good commander" trait added and a heroic victory achieved.

[Spoofa]

Yes, EBs traits are awesome. I just had a young general, who was known for his "doubtful courage". Then he had to fight a hard battle, with the enemy attacking from front and rear, where he performed some brave charges into the enemy. After the battle, the "doubtful courage" trait was removed, plus another "good commander" trait added and a heroic victory achieved.

really?
just another example of the brilliance of EB's trait team

[mlp071]

Toxotai. Definately.

Actually, i was using them in my Maks campaign over Cretan archers, with almost same resuts.Plus if anything else , they got flaming arrows , very potent morale killer.Get 2 units of Tox on Gaesatae with fire and generaly they will rout pretty easy.

For 89 mnai upkeep you can't complain with that.

I would say most of javelin cavalry is pretty useless , due to smal number of javelins and low charge ability.You can only chase routers with them , and that's not enough for me to have them.

[pockettank]

i dont see why every1 says Toxatai i love them unless i have Cretans but u cant always have them and toxatai are cheap and to the point and they can do at least some damge to an enemy unless of course the enemy is elite =p

i would have to go with British Generals.. most Chariots are OK for the most part but they lose soldiers to fast and put a general on there and u have a genearl-less army in a few seconds from one stray arrow no joke i had a 6 star general get killed by a Celtic Archer that was aiming at the unit BESIDE the general thats how crappy both Celtic Archers and Chariots are

[SwebozGaztiz]

i don't there is a bad unit, all the bad units have their roll on the battlefield and as a player you must lear their roll, i mean youre not going to use a levy spearman unit to fill the gap a elite heavy unit it is going to cover ie. youre not going to use pantadopoi to fill in the gap of thorakitai argaryspidai, i mean everyone talks about pantadopoi and toxotai being bad units, well i dont use them often but pantadopoi can make good reserves or cannon fodder, so in my humble opinion there it is no bad unit im a not an expert myself but i always try to give each unit its roll in the battlefield, haha please don't flame me!...

[bovi]

i would have to go with British Generals.. most Chariots are OK for the most part but they lose soldiers to fast and put a general on there and u have a genearl-less army in a few seconds from one stray arrow no joke i had a 6 star general get killed by a Celtic Archer that was aiming at the unit BESIDE the general thats how crappy both Celtic Archers and Chariots are

Please upgrade to 0.81a V2. Their stats have been fixed.

[Sygrod]

There was mention of justifyable use of catapults/projectors on page 2 of this thread. It was to knock down gates in heavily populated areas, such as Greece. I have an alternative suggestion:

The projectors cost how much again? How many spies could you train for the same amount and keep in the field? Instead of a mammoth projector unit sitting around most of the time, send hordes of spies into Greece and swarm the cities. Some of the spies will get in, some will be killed. When you get there, there is a good chance that the gates are open - all of them. The spies can then be reassigned for scouting, etc.