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    Here is a commentary on the matter.
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    At midnight on Sunday, a Venezuelan institution came to an end. After 53 years of broadcasting, the country's oldest television network, Radio Caracas Television, lost its license and went off the air, shut down at last by Hugo Chávez in retaliation for its virulent opposition to his administration.

    Fans of Chávez's brand of populist socialism - like Tariq Ali speaking to Rory Carroll last week, or Labour MP Colin Burgon writing in Friday's paper - believe RCTV simply got what was coming to it. They point to the station's flawed and partisan coverage of the botched coup that briefly unseated Chávez in 2002, during which it failed to mention the crowds of Chávez supporters who took to the streets in protest. We wouldn't allow Fox News or Channel 4 to support the overthrow of the government without consequence, they argue; why should RCTV be treated any differently?

    But just as we hold our media organizations accountable for their actions, so we expect our media regulators to deliberate carefully and transparently in meting out punishment. In Venezuela, there has been no such deliberation; instead, Chávez and his officials unilaterally branded the network coup-mongers and pornographers - the latter apparently a reference to the trashy but popular telenovelas that are standard fare on all the region's networks. No investigations, meetings or hearings were held to assess the station's failings; no evidence was presented, and the network was given no right of reply.

    It wasn't until this March, three months after announcing its decision to revoke the station's license, that the government deigned to release a "White Book" giving an official account of the station's transgressions. More polemic than policy paper, the book only serves to underscore the arbitrary and politicized nature of the government's decision; RCTV is accused of a raft of minor sins, from sensationalizing its coverage of a recent murder to showing alcohol consumption during its coverage of a baseball game. RCTV had never previously received more than a warning for these violations; other stations guilty of the same or worse errors have been allowed to retain their licenses.

    It's hard to see RCTV's closure - which was opposed by 70% of the Venezuelan people - as anything more than an act of political retaliation for the network's continuing, and increasingly isolated, resistance to the Chávez administration. While it's true that the country's media remains largely in private hands, most of the other opposition channels have allowed themselves to be cowed by Chávez's threats, and have substantially cut back their news and editorial coverage. Of the stations with national reach, only RCTV had remained an outspoken critic of the government; on Sunday night that voice, too, fell silent. (Claims that RCTV could stay on the air by switching to cable or satellite are disingenuous; even if the network survives, it will reach only a tiny fraction of its current audience.)

    In pulling the plug on RCTV, Chávez appointed himself judge, jury and executioner; and in doing so, struck a dangerous blow against Venezuela's proud traditions of democracy and free speech. Worryingly, he did so as part of a wider campaign to stifle dissenting voices and independent views. Since coming to power, Chávez has pushed through a barrage of regulations designed to breed a compliant and uncritical media sector; organizations now face swingeing fines and license suspensions if they fail to meet vague and arbitrary "social responsibility" criteria, while draconian defamation regulations and "insult laws" make it illegal to show disrespect for government officials and institutions.

    Sadly, Burgon's claim that no journalists have been punished for reporting or commenting on the government is simply untrue. Last year one columnist for a Caracas daily was sentenced to almost three years in jail and fined $14,945 for calling a government minister "unable and inept"; another TV pundit was recently prosecuted after suggesting the country should replace its increasingly-partisan Supreme Court with a brothel. Networks are liable to large fines and temporary license suspensions if they step out of line; increasingly, in Chávez's Venezuela, self-censorship is the order of the day.

    And Chávez's blistering attacks on the media have dangerous consequences as they filter down to street level. Violent factions among Chávez's supporters, told time and again that the media are the enemy, are increasingly coming to see journalists as legitimate targtets. Reporters are threatened, intimidated and attacked on a regular basis; several opposition networks have had their offices stormed and ransacked and their vehicles torched. Though Chávez doesn't openly endorse these acts of intimidation, he's done little to stop them, and has not sought to temper his inflammatory rhetoric in response.

    A few minutes after RCTV flickered off the air, a new network took its place: Venezuelan Social Television. The new public channel, run by Chávez appointees, will provide news and entertainment that is more palatable to Chávez's government; it will join a growing portfolio of state-owned channels that one government station chief says is part of Chávez's wider plan for "communication and information hegemony". The failure of the likes of Tariq Ali and Colin Burgon to recognize this as a blow to Venezuela's tradition of free speech shouldn't surprise anyone; Chávez is a past master at playing the international left to his own ends. The truth, though, is that this is one occasion when people on both the left and the right, as supporters of liberal democracy, should be prepared to cry foul.


    Here is one of the scant news reports on the shutdown and the accompanying riots.
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    CARACAS, Venezuela- Venezuelan police fired tear gas and plastic bullets Monday into a crowd of thousands protesting a decision by President Hugo Chavez that forced a television station critical of his leftist government off the air.

    Police fired toward the crowd of up to 5,000 protesters from a raised highway, and protesters fled amid clouds of tear gas. They later regrouped in Caracas' Plaza Brion chanting "freedom!" Some tossed rocks and bottles at police, prompting authorities to scatter demonstrators by firing more gas.

    It was the largest of several protests that broke out across Caracas hours after Radio Caracas Television ceased broadcasting at midnight Sunday and was replaced with a new state-funded channel. Chavez had refused to renew RCTV's broadcast license, accusing it of "subversive" activities and of backing a 2002 coup against him.

    At least three protesters and one police officer were injured in skirmishes. Some protesters were seen in television footage hurling spent tear gas canisters back at police.

    Office workers poured out of buildings to join student protesters, while organizers called for the demonstration to remain peaceful. RCTV talk show host Miguel Angel Rodriguez led the crowd in chants of, "They will not silence us!"

    Separately, Information Minister Willian Lara accused the private Globovision TV channel of encouraging an
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    attempt on Chavez's life by broadcasting the chorus of a salsa tune—"Have faith, this doesn't end here"—along with footage of the 1981 assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II in St. Peter's Square.

    "They incite the assassination of Venezuela's president," he said.

    Globovision director Alberto Federico Ravell denied any wrongdoing, calling the allegations "ridiculous."

    The new public channel, TVES, launched its transmissions early Monday with artists singing pro-Chavez music, then carried an exercise program and a talk show, interspersed with government ads proclaiming, "Now Venezuela belongs to everyone."

    Thousands of government supporters reveled in the streets as they watched the midnight changeover on large TV screens, seeing RCTV's signal go black and then be replaced by a TVES logo. Others launched fireworks and danced in the streets.

    Inside the studios of RCTV—the sole opposition-aligned TV station with nationwide reach—disheartened actors and comedians wept and embraced in the final minutes on the air.

    Chavez says he is democratizing the airwaves by turning the network's signal over to public use.

    The socialist president accused the network of helping to incite a failed coup in 2002, violating broadcast laws and "poisoning" Venezuelans with programming that promoted capitalism. RCTV's managers deny wrongdoing.

    Founded in 1953, RCTV was the nation's oldest private channel and regularly topped viewer ratings with its talk shows, sports, soap operas and comedy programs.

    Some protesters on Monday blocked roads with rocks and burning trash, saying they fear for the future of free speech. Police used tear gas to break up at least two protests, and were seen handcuffing and detaining one man.

    "I plan to keep protesting because we're Venezuelans and it's our right," said Valentina Ramos, 17, a Metropolitan University student who was hit in the head with a tear gas canister and received stitches.

    She said the protest near her university was peaceful, but National Guard troops said they acted after students hurled rocks and sticks.

    Two other students were injured by plastic bullets, said Ana Teresa Yepez, an administrator at Caracas' Metropolitan University. She said about 20 protesters were treated for inhaling tear gas.

    The group Reporters Without Borders called for international condemnation of the RCTV decision as "a major setback to democracy and pluralism."

    Robert Menard, the Paris-based group's secretary-general, called the measure Chavez's "first serious international political error."

    Germany, which holds the European Union presidency, officially declared its concern that Venezuela let RCTV's license expire "without holding an open competition for the successor license."

    Ironically, government-run news outlets are said to be completely ignoring the protests....
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    Default Re: Venezuelan RCTV shutdown by government

    Politics, at its core, is pretty simple.

    This station supported the attempted overthrow of Venezuala's popularly elected leader. If the media takes a shot and misses, they pay the price when the leader gets the legal chance to do so (Chavez); if they back the successful overthrow (Nixon*) their power as an institution increases.

    Having received, through the due process of his government's normal function, the power to rule by decree in most day-to-day decisions, Chavez simply allowed a license to lapse. He has not prevented free speech or dissent -- throwing rocks made the protestors rioters -- so if someone want's to start a station that takes an editorial stance against him, there is nothing preventing them.

    Officially.


    *Note: Nixon did obstruct justice and abuse his position of power; the "overthrow" in question was for valid reasons.
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    Whilst I normally am a fairly strong supporter of Chavez's reforms, this I do not like. Censorship of the media is never a godo thing. Even if their views may be in opposition to he majority.
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    There shouldn't be a need for liscense in a freedom-of-the-press.

    He allowed it to lapse, but to refuse to renew it is censorship.
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    Here is one of the scant news reports on the shutdown and the accompanying riots.
    Scant ? its front page news in venezuelas papers

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    Perhaps you should ask yourself how many people BUY AND read NEWSPAPERS OUT THERE ?

    In numerous countries newspapers have rather low circulation and little influence especially if there is nothing about things they describe in other media.

    After all if all who reads them is a band of intellectuals concerned about such 'useless' things as freedom of speech, freedom of choice and possibility to remove a leader without bloodshed let them read it !
    After all you still have the support of the people who will be greateful for a piece of bread, some meat, bunch of anti-American slogans and media full of propaganda and soap-operas.
    Of course they will stay the same way - poor, uneducated, still in same for the rest of their lives - but that doesn't concern us - why should it ?



    Personally I am a little tired with those mindless Chavez supporters justifying everything he does.
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    There shouldn't be a need for liscense in a freedom-of-the-press.
    Does that mean you don't have freedom of the press because of FCC licences ?
    are there many countries that don't licence TV and radio ?


    Scant ? its front page news in venezuelas papers
    furthermore its front page news on just about every latin/central American newspaper I looked at , when you say scant do you mean something completely different from scant ?

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    Personally I am a little tired with those mindless Chavez supporters justifying everything he does.
    And which mindless people would that be then ?
    Simple question for you cegroach , .
    If there was a media outlet in your country that had a government licence , would it keep its licence if it was involved in an attempt to violenty overthrow the government and failed .
    Last edited by Banquo's Ghost; 05-29-2007 at 15:37. Reason: Removed personal insult

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Scant ? its front page news in venezuelas papers
    Actually, I was talking about US media. But indulge us anyhow- which Venzuelan papers are covering it?
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    But indulge us anyhow- which Venzuelan papers are covering it?
    as far as I can tell , all of them , its venezuelan news you see



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    And which mindless people would that be then ?
    Simple question for you cegroach , see if you have a mind at all .
    If there was a media outlet in your country that had a government licence , would it keep its licence if it was involved in an attempt to violenty overthrow the government and failed .


    Ahhh Usual rhetorical move. Ask a question where there is only one answer.

    Reminds me 'referendums' where questions composed in such way that not supporting the expected option makes you a nazi/communist/imperialist/idiot.

    Sorry, but that doesn't convince me at all, you are not able to reduce the whole issue to one question.


    Sometimes it is either the one who writes the question or the one who counts the votes more important than the one who votes/answers the question.

    Jeez do you really think I am so naive ?

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    Sorry, but that doesn't convince me at all, you are not able to reduce the whole issue to one question.
    Why not , the question is about government licencing of broadcasters , the subject is about government licensing of broadcasters , if you don't like the answer then what exactly are your objections on the subject .

    Jeez do you really think I am so naive ?
    well with comments like this....Personally I am a little tired with those mindless Chavez supporters justifying everything he does.
    Yes I do .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    And which mindless people would that be then?
    A bit "leading," but not unfair argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Simple question for you cegroach , see if you have a mind at all .
    The 2nd phrase is simply abusive. It is couched as a question, but all too readily implies a particular and insulting answer. The first phrase, followed by a colon and then the question below would be sufficient and would make your point well enough. The "combative" tone implied by "simple question for...." would give you the argumentative "edge" you seek without being offensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    If there was a media outlet in your country that had a government licence , would it keep its licence if it was involved in an attempt to violenty overthrow the government and failed .
    The key issue, and very much on point.


    Note:

    Tribes, when your posts appear on my screen, it is typical for the punctuation -- notably ","s and final "."s -- to be preceded by a space. To the best of my knowledge this isn't normal form. Is this a display issue with your typing font or some such?
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    well thats a turn up for the books .
    there was me thinking the US media wasn't covering it , what with scant coverage and all that .
    Bugger me sideways , can you find many national media outlets that havn't covered it over the past 3 days , and of course they all ran with the story when it was first announced that the licence wasn't being renewed .
    Must be a new definition of scant .

    The 2nd phrase is simply abusive. It is couched as a question, but all too readily implies a particular and insulting answer. The first phrase, followed by a colon and then the question below would be sufficient and would make your point well enough. The "combative" tone implied by "simple question for...." would give you the argumentative "edge" you seek without being offensive.
    Hey I only replied in the same manner as the original statement was presented .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
    The key issue, and very much on point.
    It's a bit of a false argument really. Allow me to quote what I've already posted:
    Fans of Chávez's brand of populist socialism - like Tariq Ali speaking to Rory Carroll last week, or Labour MP Colin Burgon writing in Friday's paper - believe RCTV simply got what was coming to it. They point to the station's flawed and partisan coverage of the botched coup that briefly unseated Chávez in 2002, during which it failed to mention the crowds of Chávez supporters who took to the streets in protest. We wouldn't allow Fox News or Channel 4 to support the overthrow of the government without consequence, they argue; why should RCTV be treated any differently?

    But just as we hold our media organizations accountable for their actions, so we expect our media regulators to deliberate carefully and transparently in meting out punishment. In Venezuela, there has been no such deliberation; instead, Chávez and his officials unilaterally branded the network coup-mongers and pornographers - the latter apparently a reference to the trashy but popular telenovelas that are standard fare on all the region's networks. No investigations, meetings or hearings were held to assess the station's failings; no evidence was presented, and the network was given no right of reply.

    It wasn't until this March, three months after announcing its decision to revoke the station's license, that the government deigned to release a "White Book" giving an official account of the station's transgressions. More polemic than policy paper, the book only serves to underscore the arbitrary and politicized nature of the government's decision; RCTV is accused of a raft of minor sins, from sensationalizing its coverage of a recent murder to showing alcohol consumption during its coverage of a baseball game. RCTV had never previously received more than a warning for these violations; other stations guilty of the same or worse errors have been allowed to retain their licenses.
    And I'll add to it with a dose of common sense from Wikipedia:
    The government accuses the network of supporting the 2002 failed coup d'état that briefly removed Chávez. RCTV argues that no trial has been conducted that links the network to the coup attempt.[9]

    Other stations, including Venevisión, Televen and Globovisión, were also accused of supporting the coup attempt. However, Venevisión recently received a 5-year extension of its license, while RCTV was denied the same extension.

    RCTV also argues that the channel's license expires in 2022 rather than 2007. The government states that a 1987 decree during Jaime Lusinchi's presidential term, gave RCTV a 20-year license, while the network claims that the failure of the National Telecommunications Commission to issue an administrative authorization by June 12, 2002, automatically granted the channel a 20-year license renewal. The government rejected this interpretation, stating that the converting of licenses into administrative authorizations did not mean a license renewal, just a census of broadcasters.
    RCTV certainly has no love of Chavez, and they were clearly in favor of the coup, as evidenced by their coverage. Yet so were other stations and they're still broadcasting. Should they have been shutdown? Maybe, but in virtually any other Western country, the process would have been clearly laid out, fair, and fully transparent. However, when you have an ego-maniac like Chavez, with near dictatorial powers, these things will happen on his terms with sketchy charges and no open inquiry.

    Tribesman clearly supports this. For me, I'm siding with Human Rights Watch, Reporters Without Borders, and countless other organizations who see this as the attempt to silence a political critic that it is.

    Let's go back to Wikipedia one more time:
    Many individuals, international organizations and NGOs — including the OAS's Secretary General José Miguel Insulza[14] and its Special Rapporteur for Freedom of Expression,[15] the Inter American Press Association,[16] Human Rights Watch,[17] and the Committee to Protect Journalists[18] — have expressed concerns for freedom of the press.[19] The International Press Institute stated that it as "a flagrant attempt to silence the station's critical voice and in violation of everyone's right 'to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers,' as outlined in Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights" [20] The Committee to Protect Journalists "concluded [Chavez's] government failed to conduct a fair and transparent review of RCTV's concession renewal. The report, based on a three-month investigation, found the government’s decision was a predetermined and politically motivated effort to silence critical coverage." [21] Reporters Without Borders stated "The closure of RCTV [...] is a serious violation of freedom of expression and a major setback to democracy and pluralism. President Chávez has silenced Venezuela’s most popular TV station and the only national station to criticize him, and he has violated all legal norms by seizing RCTV’s broadcast equipment for the new public TV station that is replacing it." [22] Freedom House has downgraded Venezuela's press freedom rating from "Partly Free" to "Not Free".[23] José Miguel Vivanco, Americas director for Human Rights Watch, called the RCTV case "clearly a case of censorship and the most grave step back in the region since Fujimori," referring to the alleged manipulation of the media by Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori in the 1990s. "Chavez is not renewing the concession to punish a medium for its opposition to the government," Vivanco said.[24]
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    furthermore its front page news on just about every latin/central American newspaper I looked at , when you say scant do you mean something completely different from scant ?
    And on the fornt page of every Herald in latin america...
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    That channel should have long been banned, as it should in any democracy, for incitement to overthrow the legal government. Still, Chavez tolerates many other US-supported and/or US-financed channels that call for a military coup every other day. Any other country would take action against them. I guess he feels that his position is strong enough at present to allow them to go about their business.

    I would be far more worried if Chavez stifled the growing criticism within his own ranks.
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    That channel should have long been banned, as it should in any democracy, for incitement to overthrow the legal government
    Where is that word that we dont have here...

    Ah yes!Freedom Speech!

    Banning a channel because they spoke bad things about the Chavez administration.Is there Freedom Speech?Is there freedom of speech when the governament allows only one voice?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
    Where is that word that we dont have here...

    Ah yes!Freedom Speech!

    Banning a channel because they spoke bad things about the Chavez administration.Is there Freedom Speech?Is there freedom of speech when the governament allows only one voice?

    I am hardly a Chavez fan, but to be fair to him in this, it should be noted that there are a number of papers across South America and beyond that are covering this issue and the resultant protests quite thoroughly. Nor is the closed paper the only voice of criticism in Venezuela.

    I dislike this kind of back-handed censorship and think it wrong, but the station involved was the only one to actively support -- not just report on -- a coup against Chavez. This puts this news organ well beyond the FOX News or NYT partisanship line. So, their is bad faith on both sides of this particular equation.
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    From what I understand, they really did call for the overthrow of the government, not just Chavez.

    I have to agree with its closing. The station took one step too many. I believe in free speech, but be realistic. If a station in the US or Britain started calling for an overthrow of the government, it would closed for a short time at least.

    I do hope the station reopens with more moderate management.
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    I dislike this kind of back-handed censorship and think it wrong, but the station involved was the only one to actively support -- not just report on -- a coup against Chavez
    Then, Chavez, try to fix your situation in your country, and that wont happen.
    And re-open RCTV.




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    Quote Originally Posted by cegorach
    Perhaps you should ask yourself how many people BUY AND read NEWSPAPERS OUT THERE ?
    Well seeing as that they are mass produced, I'd say say several hundred... million...

    Less than the amount that watch television perhaps, but in terms of what you are trying to say, it would be "targeted advertising".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
    Then, Chavez, try to fix your situation in your country, and that wont happen.
    And re-open RCTV.
    So your solution to every problem is to call for the overthrow of the government until the problem, however ridiculously complex and unsolvable it may be, is solved?

    ...or he could avoid doing that and instad distract the public from the situation at home along with his obviopus incompetence with a war or something. That might work.
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    your solution to every problem is to call for the overthrow of the government until the problem, however ridiculously complex and unsolvable it may be, is solved?
    CrossLOPER, you misunderstand me.
    Im saying that Chavez must try to solve the problems.If he doesnt do nothing, he wont have the peoples suport.
    And I dont agree with military governament. They will make chaos.




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    The press is supposed to report news, not make it. I'm probably less of a Chavez fan than Seamus here, if such a thing were possible, and I'm going to say not only is he within his rights, he has a responsiblity to see to it that legiimate news outlets live up to their charter. To broadcast a soap opera and refuse to report on an ongoing coup, then continuously agitate the populus to try again when the coup was put down... this is the work of idealogues, not journalists. They crossed a line and they've become a propaganda tool, masquerading as a media outlet.

    Now, if only Hugo could do something with those other bastions of anti-government propaganda, CBS News and the NY Times.
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    It's pretty amazing to see how many here are just buying up Chavez's excuse for the closing of RCTV. Maybe you guys can help get the message out to the reportedly 70% of Venezuelans who opposed the move and who are continuing another day of protests.

    Here's what the Economist says on the matter- apparently they're not getting the message either. We can also add the US Senate, the Bush administration, and even Nancy Pelosi to the already long list of those condemning the move.

    In related news, Chavez is now making threats to another, smaller TV network- Globovision. Hopefully, he'll also shutdown these coup mongers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    The press is supposed to report news, not make it. I'm probably less of a Chavez fan than Seamus here, if such a thing were possible, and I'm going to say not only is he within his rights, he has a responsiblity to see to it that legiimate news outlets live up to their charter. To broadcast a soap opera and refuse to report on an ongoing coup, then continuously agitate the populus to try again when the coup was put down... this is the work of idealogues, not journalists. They crossed a line and they've become a propaganda tool, masquerading as a media outlet.
    Don, re-read what you just said. You seriously think he's just upholding his "responsiblity to see to it that legiimate news outlets live up to their charter."? Astonishing. He's closing down a critical news outlet, seizing their property and equipment, and replacing it with a state-run propaganda machine. Yes, that's really legitimate.

    Let's look at some more of his "reasoning":
    He portrayed the closure of RCTV as a public service, claiming the network's broadcasts amounted to a "permanent attack on public morals" with soap operas that were like "venomous rattlesnakes" and children's cartoons that were "poisoned with hatred, violence and even sex."
    Who was it that levied the charges against RCTV? Chavez. Who was it that made the final decision on their renewal? Chavez. Who made the decision on what would replace RCTV? Chavez. No one is concerned by the complete and total lack of transparency here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    In related news, Chavez is now making threats to another, smaller TV network- Globovision.
    Go figure. All Globovision did was call for the assassination of Chavez...

    Some of these private media magnates are not just criminal, they are stupid as well. They should invest their money and energy in the establishment of a proper political opposition movement instead of military coups.
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    It's quite fun when people regard military coups as legitimate political opposition...

    In every democracy, if a tv channel called for the military to overthrow the elected government, they would be closed down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II
    Go figure. All Globovision did was call for the assassination of Chavez...
    Do you just swallow anything Chavez spouts? All they did was show a film clip of the attempted assassination of the Pope- as part of a retrospective on the coverage that RCTV has provided over its decades of operation. If that's how low the bar is, the makers of "Death of a President" should all be sitting in a federal jail now. Pretty weaksauce, as they say.

    No matter, Globovision too supported the coup attempt. Chavez would be completely justified in shutting them down and seizing their equipment as well, no?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    It's quite fun when people regard military coups as legitimate political opposition...
    Hard not to, when the leader of the country in question is a former coup leader himself.
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    For those who really think Chavez is clearly an evil dictator because of this, just think for a second.

    Would Bush allow an Al Qaeda channel to broadcast within the US, continually demanding and telling people to destroy the Bush administration and the values it stands for? Or to tear the US into civil strife and fear? ...

    I think some of Chavez's other actions should also be taken into account when looking at this, mainly the fact that after he was overthrown by a US backed coup, and then thrust back into power by the will of the people, he did not kill, maim or imprison those who instigated the coup in his country - those who are vehmently supported by the TV station(s) in question - but let them go free. He is no dictator or a tyrant or someone who tramples, willingly, over human rights or freedom of speech / press.
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