Beta 8...A problem??

[Jochi Khan]

Thought I should bring this to everyone's attention.

I have Three installs of VI on my PC. All have been installed 'clean' (from the discs not copy/paste). VI...Samurai Wars..and now Samurai Warlords Beta 8.

I have never ever had a problem with hosting games in any of the Total War series. Shogun, Medieval, Rome and Medieval2.

Since installing Samurai Warlords Beta 8 I am now unable to host any games in any of the VI installs. That is, I host a game but other players cannot see it. I am able to join a game that is hosted by another.
This has been play tested with three different players and all are getting the same result. Cannot see the game.
Two of the three have tried hosting and they also have the same problem as me. I can see other beta 8 games that are being hosted with the game info, and the 'version conflict etc' for games that are not beta 8.

CBR suggested that I host a LAN game and then try hosting in the multiplayer game lobby. Apparently others have had this same problem and hosting a LAN game has corrected the problem for them. This I have done but the problem still remains.

It is NOT a firewall issue. I have shut down firewalls, disabled firewalls and even (silly thing to do online) have disabled both firewalls so that there was no protection at all and, incase someone suggests it, I have even disabled AVG (anti virus) which showed a virus when Beta 8 was first installed.(posted in my Warning thread) here

There is definately a problem with Beta 8. A possible bug with the auto installer??? I have never been a fan of auto installers preferring to manualy instal the files myself. That way I know where the files have been installed to.

RTW/BI and M2TW I can still host with no problems.

Does this mean that the only time I would be able to play Samurai Warlords would be if any of the 'team' are online and Sundays only???

I want to be able to host a game when/that is convenient for me to play.

[Puzz3D]

Well I don't see how the problem can be the beta 8 because it only installed to one of your three MTW/VI installs. When was the last time you hosted an MTW/VI game? Maybe something else has changed in the interim.

I've been told that the Zone Alarm firewall stops the hosting of MTW/VI games even if you turn the firewall off.

[Orda Khan]

I've been told that the Zone Alarm firewall stops the hosting of MTW/VI games even if you turn the firewall off.

I don't know where you got that information but it is incorrect. I did all my hosting in STW/MI, MTW and VI this way.
Out of interest, how was the 'host a LAN' solution discovered? It would imply to me that there has been a problem for others

........Orda

[TosaInu]

Hello Jochi,

ZoneAlarm can be odd indeed. It suffices right now (for me) to just disable it. But in the past I was often forced to deinstall it completely.

Here's a zip version.
http://www.mizus.com/files/files/MTW...Wars-beta8.zip

[Jochi Khan]

Well I don't see how the problem can be the beta 8 because it only installed to one of your three MTW/VI installs. When was the last time you hosted an MTW/VI game? Maybe something else has changed in the interim.

Nothing at all has changed or been installed except the beta 8 since last hosting VI

I've been told that the Zone Alarm firewall stops the hosting of MTW/VI games even if you turn the firewall off.

That is untrue. Did you not read my explanation of how I have always hosted games with no problems with Zone Alarm on my PC just set to Medium in the Firewall section.

It is only since installing beta 8 that this problem has arisen.

[barocca]

i have to agree with Puzz,

installing beta 8 to One copy of VI will not and can not have an impact on the other copies.
files do Not get installed outside the VI directory tree.

something else is causing the problems, a firewall or anti-spy-ware program blocking the port,
or even malware hijacking the port

You may not even know it is there, drive-by malware is becomming more and more common, i had a run in with some myself.
The nastiest stuff like to make use of XP's "superhidden" feature to tuck itself away in plain site...

[barocca]

FOR EXAMPLE
if you have seen a popup like this

then it is quite possible you have malware on your sytem



B.

[barocca]

if you see ads like that one open TASKMANAGER
and kill ALL instances of explorer immediately from taskmanager

anything you do, click the red-x, hit cancel, close from the taskbar,
anything, will start the install process.
kill ALL instances of explorer immediately from taskmanager

B.

[barocca]

if you see a popup like this one displayed below

hit the keys marked "ctrl" - "alt" and "delete" at the same time

that opens a program called taskmanager in a new window

there are five tabs,
applications, processes, performance, networking, users

hit/click the Applications tab

click on the Internet Explorer icons and for each one hit the end task button at the bottom off the window

if you do not understand any of this then go to majorgeeks.com and find their malware forum and follow their instructions.,
READ THE THREAD MARKED README before you post a thing in their forums.

B.

FOR EXAMPLE
if you have seen a popup like this

then it is quite possible you have malware on your sytem



B.

[Jochi Khan]

1. Please answer Orda's question if there is no problem.

2. Who discovered the LAN work around and why if there is no problem.

We enjoyed playing Samurai Wars (the 20Nov version) so,

if this cannot be resolved you have lost four potential players for this game.

[Tomisama]

1. Please answer Orda's question if there is no problem.

2. Who discovered the LAN work around and why if there is no problem.

We enjoyed playing Samurai Wars (the 20Nov version) so,

if this cannot be resolved you have lost four potential players for this game.

I first heard of the LAN work around years ago, and having nothing to do with Samurai Wars. I was only reminded of it recently when having a problem hosting a SW game, but it is not new.

I believe it is like the problem caused by playing a single player game and then trying to play multiplayer without rebooting, or loosing sync with the host's game when you do not have strictserver imployed. That is, it is a short comming of the game, and not having to do with anyones mod.

[Jochi Khan]

Hello Tosa,

Hello Jochi,

ZoneAlarm can be odd indeed. It suffices right now (for me) to just disable it. But in the past I was often forced to deinstall it completely.

I have never had any problems with Zone Alarm.

Here's a zip version.
http://www.mizus.com/files/files/MTW...Wars-beta8.zip

Is there anything different about this version compared with the one I downloaded from Yuuki's Signature?

[TosaInu]

Hello Jochi Khan,

Had it a few times with STW, maybe some versions. Red Orchestra had a problem with ZoneAlarm too (only a year ago). A complete uninstall was the only solution.

The one in Puzz3D's signature is the exe installer. I unpacked that and just zipped the mod files, ran another virusscan and uploaded that. When you unzip you'll get a folder called modfiles. Just copy the content of that to a VI install. So, same version.

[Jochi Khan]

hello Tosa,

Thank you for your help.

I will uninstall the Beta 8 game, make a new clean VI install and then copy the content of the modfiles to it.