Here, here! Hussa for Harold!Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Death and itchy bottoms to those dastardly Norman Fenchy types!![]()
Here, here! Hussa for Harold!Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Death and itchy bottoms to those dastardly Norman Fenchy types!![]()
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-Oscar WildeNow that the House of Commons is trying to become useful, it does a great deal of harm.
What happened at Hastings? The House of Godwin got what it deserved, dragging England down with it. I still hold to my earlier theory that Harold's assassins + Edward the Exile = the cause of the mess in the first place.
I don't doubt that Harold was a good king. Like his ol' dad he was a shrewd politician and a good administrator. But he should never had been on the bleedin' throne in the first place.
Last edited by Justiciar; 06-19-2007 at 02:19.
When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman? From the beginning all men by nature were created alike, and our bondage or servitude came in by the unjust oppression of naughty men. For if God would have had any bondsmen from the beginning, he would have appointed who should be bound, and who free. And therefore I exhort you to consider that now the time is come, appointed to us by God, in which ye may (if ye will) cast off the yoke of bondage, and recover liberty. - John Ball
Why not?
William most assuredly never bloody should have either.
Edward a self righteous idiot, to think of it, offering the throne to a Norman!
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-Oscar WildeNow that the House of Commons is trying to become useful, it does a great deal of harm.
That story is almost certainly a load of tripe cooked up by some Normans after the fact. It was a fait accompli that Harold Godwinson would be king because as the most powerful English earl it was basically his right. Even subsequent Anglo-Norman chroniclers admitted that Harold was nominated by Edward the Confessor on his deathbed and his kingship ratified by the earls afterwards.
I was just having a bit of fun m8.
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-Oscar WildeNow that the House of Commons is trying to become useful, it does a great deal of harm.
Harold had no inalienable right to the Kingship. Edgar did.
That said.. I suppose the word of the Earls and the Witan was absolute. Given the competion and the youth of the Aetheling, I'd probably have voted in Godwinson's favour myself. After all, Edgar wouldn't have stood a chance in the face of the opposition. Harold on the other hand was a proven governor, a decent general, and a considerably popular chappy.
However, this doesn't change my opinion of him, or his family. Norman sources made a song and dance out of Harold's supposed lack of honour. That doesn't somehow make the opposite true. After all, modern sources often exaggerate in their descriptions of Hitler, but that doesn't nescessarily make them worthless and invalid. I'm not comparing Harold to Hitler, by the way, I'm just trying to get the point across and no one else fills the role quite so well.
When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman? From the beginning all men by nature were created alike, and our bondage or servitude came in by the unjust oppression of naughty men. For if God would have had any bondsmen from the beginning, he would have appointed who should be bound, and who free. And therefore I exhort you to consider that now the time is come, appointed to us by God, in which ye may (if ye will) cast off the yoke of bondage, and recover liberty. - John Ball
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