Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I guess the self-evident truth that all men are endowed with certain unalienable rights is lost on teh Americans.
No, it's just some of us understand the theoretical underpinnings of unalienable rights claims.

@Pindar and Soulforged. You two are responding with legal arguments to HoreTore. Or dare I say, legalistic. He initially did present his case as a legal argument, while failing to come up with a legal argument. But he changed to the sphere of legal philosophy in his last post. If you two tireless legal positivists are Hart, he is now Dworkin, if I remember them right.
HT's latest position can not be dismissed anymore by your repeating that the UDoHR carries no direct legal status. That would suffice in a court of law, but he is now arguing from a natural law position that no legal position that goes against the UDoHR carries, or rather, should carry, legal status.
Our good HoreTore has not made any appeal to natural law. He has simply made assertions. This will not do. I will not do the thinking for my interlocutor.

Note: Dworkin is far far away from any natural law posture.

I for one wouldn't mind hearing a legal philosophical rebuttal from either of you two (former) law students that says he's wrong in this.
I'm always happy to respond to arguments when they are presented. I can't give rebuttal to an argument that doesn't exist.