some questions regarding hellenistic factions in EB1.0

[glouch]

just a few questions about the new 1.0 release(great great job by the way! the battle map looks exceptionally great XD):

1) Hellenistic Cataphracts for Seleucids: how can they be recruited? i've build the barracks necessary,, and it also says that it can built cataphracts, but they don't show up in the the recruitment pool. do they need some sort of reform?

2) what does the new bit info on the description on the barracks mean? the one that says "+- ... enables/disables reformed units"

3) Hysteroi Pezhetairoi for Macedon: how can i recruit them? do they also require reforms?

thanks ^_^

[Tellos Athenaios]

1) You need to fulfill the requirements for the Cataphract Reforms first.... That should be listed among the FAQ.
2) That's a flashy new trick which enables us to code reforms much much more efficiently. The barracks come with a -1 penalty; hence the reform unit can't be recruited; and when you hit the reforms a marker is placed through script which gives a +1 bonus. The -1 & +1 cancel; hence you can recruit the unit.
It's something that was discovered only 'recently'; and we did not invent it: IIRC it was some genius over at FATW (Fourth Age TW).
3) Indeed, they too require reforms. Again, the requirements should be listed among the FAQ.

[glouch]

so i really need to just wait for the augustan reforms? shucks.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Did those reforms not get turned fully dynamic then? (Assuming it's Vanilla Marian Reforms you speak of.) Let's see if I can dig something up. Else you'd have to wait till a city in Italia apart from Roma reaches Imperial size. Not that it take that long: that should be somewhere 260-250 BC -ish.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Let's see what I found:

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;Section 2d: Seleukid Cataphract Reforms
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

;triggers
declare_counter Seleukid_Reform
monitor_event CharacterTurnEnd FactionType romans_julii
and Trait ImpressedByCats = 2
set_counter Seleukid_Reform 1
end_monitor

monitor_event CharacterTurnEnd FactionType romans_julii
and Trait SeleukidsDevelopCats > 0
set_counter Seleukid_Refom 1
end_monitor

;Section: Seleukid-Specific
;------------------------------------------
Trait BeatenByCats
    Characters family
    Hidden
    AntiTraits ReverseBeatenByCats

    Level Beaten_By_Cats
        Description Beaten_By_Cats_desc
        EffectsDescription Beaten_By_Cats_effects_desc
        Threshold  1

;------------------------------------------
Trait ReverseBeatenByCats
    Characters family
    Hidden
    AntiTraits BeatenByCats

    Level Reverse_Beaten_By_Cats
        Description Reverse_Beaten_By_Cats_desc
        EffectsDescription Reverse_Beaten_By_Cats_effects_desc
        Threshold  1


;------------------------------------------
;Trait: ImpressedByCats
; o Intrigued by Kataphractoi (1): This man may cause his faction to develop kataphractoi within a few years.

Trait ImpressedByCats
    Characters family
    AntiTraits SeleukidsDevelopCats

    Level Impressed_By_Cats
         Description Impressed_By_Cats_desc
         EffectsDescription Impressed_By_Cats_effects_desc
         Threshold  1

    Level Impressed_By_Cats2
         Description Impressed_By_Cats2_desc
         EffectsDescription Impressed_By_Cats2_effects_desc
         Threshold  21

;------------------------------------------
;Trait: SeleukidsDevelopCats
; o SeleukidsDevelopCats

Trait SeleukidsDevelopCats
    Characters family
    Hidden
    NoGoingBackLevel 1
    AntiTraits ImpressedByCats

    Level Seleukids_Develop_Cats
         Description Seleukids_Develop_Cats_desc
         EffectsDescription Seleukids_Develop_Cats_effects_desc
         Threshold  1

[Landwalker]

3) Indeed, they too require reforms. Again, the requirements should be listed among the FAQ.

Actually, the FAQ has no information on the Macedonian reforms. I, too, am wondering what needs to be done in order to recruit those wonderful Hysteroi Pezhetairoi.

Cheers.

[abou]

Play the game and find out.

[Landwalker]

Play the game and find out.

It hardly seems fair to tell all the Romani, Saka, Hayasdan, Seleucid, Pahlava, Carthaginian, Celtic, and Sweboz players what needs to be done for their reforms, but to leave the Macedonians in the dark. I just want my spiffy-looking Hysteroi Pezhetairoi. No love.

Cheers.

[abou]

Well, we have posted it about a thousand times on the board. You could either play and find out on your own or use the search function.

In fact, it is probably more fun to play and find out.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I'll spoil the fun and answer:
All reforms that aren't listed in the FAQ are not actual reforms (you don't have to do anything) or they are tied to the Vanilla Marian Reform even or "March of Time" event (Imperial Palace in non-Roma central Italy).

In this case it is the later.

[beatoangelico]

I'll spoil the fun and answer:
All reforms that aren't listed in the FAQ are not actual reforms (you don't have to do anything) or they are tied to the Vanilla Marian Reform even or "March of Time" event (Imperial Palace in non-Roma central Italy).

In this case it is the later.

/ot
Isn't the vanilla marian event a little too fast? It could be slowed down or it will just continue to trigger after 15 years of campaign?

[overweightninja]

/ot
Isn't the vanilla marian event a little too fast? It could be slowed down or it will just continue to trigger after 15 years of campaign?

It's as fast as the Romans make babies, I hear city mod drops the birth rate, that would probably help.

[Landwalker]

I'll spoil the fun and answer:
All reforms that aren't listed in the FAQ are not actual reforms (you don't have to do anything) or they are tied to the Vanilla Marian Reform even or "March of Time" event (Imperial Palace in non-Roma central Italy).

In this case it is the later.

Ah, thank you.

My apologies, Abou. I ran a search for "Hysteroi Pezhetairoi" (on the assumption that they would, in fact, be mentioned by name in any relevant discussion of the Macedonian reform), but couldn't find anything. Hence this bump.

Cheers.

[Folgore]

Isn't the vanilla marian event a little too fast? It could be slowed down or it will just continue to trigger after 15 years of campaign?

15 years? I got my hysteroi pezhetairoi in 215 BCE in my campaign. I guess the war between Rome and Epeiros is to blame for that though. Not that I need hysteroi pezhetairoi. My pezhetairoi all have 4 or more experience, so they've got better stats then unexperienced hysteroi pezhetairoi.