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    Default Re: Sweboz (Germans) slightly underpowered

    Ok I've been a follower of this discussion since the two theards (this one and the Celts one) came up. And I gotta say, this discussion has helped me learn a lot about Germans and Gauls, and Romans too.

    Now I will say this:
    NO THE SWEBOZ ARE NOT UNDERPOWERED!
    --The ONLY thing they lack is an expensive heavy cavarly, and thats it.

    I just played 2 MP battles with the sweboz and they KICK A**!!!! One against carthage and the other one against KH.

    Now let me explain why I say the Sweboz are fine:
    -ALL their units have a rather hight morale when u campared them other units of similar AND better stats.
    -Also they are very cheap to make, exept for the Hundllz (Group of Hundred).
    -On top of that, exept for their regular spearman and The Sinotoz ("Swordbondsmen"), all other units are have AP weapons.

    What does that mean in terms of gameplay?
    -You can train a rather large army on a budget.
    --This large army on a budge will NOT suffer from a weak morale, which is a risk u take when u train large armies on a budge with everyone else.
    -Ur army will tear a whole through more heavely armored units thanks to the AP.
    [In my MP game, the MᲪoz (axemen) and Wodᮡwulfoz (black painted guys) cut the number of Epilektoi Hoplitai from 70some to 50some in about 1 minute.]
    -When ur Germans are hit with cavarly from behind most of your units will not rout instantly due to their high morale.
    -Thier AP capabilities combines with the Wodᮡwulfoz (black painted guys) ability to scare infantry to have heavier stronger infantry routing IF the enemy's general is not present.
    -Although ur cavarly is weak compared to the heavy cavalry of other factions, it is extremely fast, very cheap, has good morale, and is very tough for a medium cavarly.

    I kicked A*** with this guys and my cavarly was relaged to "check" the enemies cavarly from outflanking. I rarely used it to engage enemy cavarly, nor did I use it in full force to hammer pinned enemy infantry.
    WHICH MEANS: that my Sweboz infantry did most the fighting themselves and ROUTED the enemy without cavarly support.

    So.... no the Sweboz are NOT underpowered. If u beat the Ai to easy well... thats because is the AI!! Play MP and u will see thier true power.

    Take it from me an almost exclusive Aedui/Arverni player.
    WIth my gauls I cannot do what I did with the Germans, I cannot count on my infantry to beat heavy infantry without Gaestae and cavalry support. I may bet lucky and rout some heavy infantry with Gaestae and other infantry alone, but that rarely occurs.

    Hell, I think I should start a thread called "Gauls Underpowered" because UNLESS I used Mori Gaesum + Gaestae + Brihentin there is no way I am going to win. Yes, those 3 units must be present!

    And is ESPECIALLY hard to win if I am on a budjet. With Gauls my regular units just don't cut it, even Minhalt get beat by Polybian Pricipes! (let alone legionaries). Getting a gallic big army on a budjet is suicide, u ain't winning, ur center won't hold long enough for u to beat the enemies flank (UNLESS u have Mori Gaesum)

    Gauls don't have (exept for Casse champions) any AP infantry. Although thier stats are decent, thier moral is not any better. This translates to: NO gauls won't cut a hole through heavier troops like the Sweboz do.

    ALSO, the best overall Gallic spearmen are: AljậGae the spearmen you train in towns bordering Germania! WHY? 120men, good stats, decent cost, AND much higher moral than regular Gauls!!! So they don't rout that easy.

    So my friend... at the end of the day the Sweboz are FINE! The only thing they lack is a heavy cavalry, which should be insanely expensive due to thier rarity. And even without heavy cavarly support they kick a**!
    Last edited by NeoSpartan; 09-28-2007 at 20:50.

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