Sorry this took so long neo-spartan, I had already typed something out and my computer glitched and I lost everything(very annoying). I went on to type out a response to the Celts overpowered thread then came back to this one again.
Quote Originally Posted by NeoSpartan
Weaker but Cheaper Gallic Elites means that they can be more COMMON on a Gallic army. It means I can trian more of them in both MP and SP campains! It turns them into a Good Heavy Infantry, like the Thorakitai are also a good heavy infantry.

now.. IF you still don't get it:
-Once u have Gallic Elites become another "Common & Reasonable costing Good Heavy Infantry" u have now made the Gallic Factions A-HISTORICAL!!! why?? bacause Gallic Elites were FEW in any Gallic army, and by reducing their cost it makes them common place, GET IT!
---how come?? Because a player can now AFFORD to put more of them in their MP and SP armies.
If I'm not mistaken the AI spams elites, then that alone negates your argument. If the computer spams the elites therefore making the game A-historical. If your worried about to many elites for the sake of realism the solution is simple, don't buy them. On the other hand the game is A-historical because the Celtic units(mostly elites) are overpowered compared to their historical basis. It is easier to not buy more elites then it is to go into the program and change the stats to match the historical parameters for the units.

Quote Originally Posted by NeoSpartan
-Let me point out something:
When you guys refer to Gauls being individual fighters not team-cohesive fighters, you guys (everyone posting) is refering to "Gallic Army". I don't see any refences to Soldurus, Neitos, etc..... By Gallic army it can mean levys, medium infantry, skermishers, whatever.... Therfore I don't think Gallic Elites preformed badly when fighting in a group.

-OK now to my point. Give me 60 Soldurus vs 60 Imperial Cohorts and I'll put my $$ on the Soldurus. WHY?

Imperial Cohorts were well drilled, had good combat training, and conditioning. Making them a very good infantry fighting force and cheap for the state (or general) to produce.

Soldurus (as all other Gallic Infantry Elites) aquired thier combat knowledge and conditioning through years of "tutoring" and "combat expirience", (as long as they didn't die in the process). This makes for a VERY good fighting unit, but unfortunatly the tribe would not be able to train and equip troops with thier or close to thier quality.

--This is why they are SO good, so few, and so expensive in the game. And being so few 60 Soldurus usually face 100 Imp. Cohorts. They loose after killing about 80 (give or take) Imp. Legions.
"Their request was granted and they proceeded to hand their weapons over as ordered. But while the attention of all our men was focused on this transaction, their commander-in-chief Adiatumnus went into action in another part of the town with 600 followers whom they called soldurii. The rule of this order is that they share in the enjoyment of all life's advantages with the friends to whom they have committed themselves, and if the friend succumbs to any violence they either share his fate or commit suicide; there is no record of one who refused to die when the man to whose friendship he had committed himself was killed. It was with such followers that Adiatumnus attempted his sortie, but a shout was raised in that part of the fortification. The soldiers ran to arms, and after a sharp engagement Adiatumnus was driven back into the town. But he petitioned Crassus for the old terms of surrender and obtained his desire. Book 3,22

Quote Originally Posted by NeoSpartan
Now keep that description in mind and read the description of the ones u didn't mention due to thier high stats. You will see its kind of like 1st Elites and then 2nd Elites (or Very Good Heavy Infantry, whatever)

With that in mind compare thier description to the description of (just some of them will give u an idea:
-Lugoae, AljậGae (celti-german spearsmen), Gaeroas, Gaelaiche, Botroas, Bagaudas, Bataroas, Noricene Gaecori (celt-greek spearmen), Batacorii (balgrae spear), Milnaht (only non elite with good moral).

That will show you 2 things.
1-These were the "bulk" of gallic armies.
2-These is what non-elites look like.
---And i just so happens that Sweboz non-elites, or "bulk of the army" units can beat them (although with difficulty).
-----Why do I know this?? Cause I've done some tests, and I've tested these armies in MP (where there is no AI making really dumb decitions) and the Sweboz have prefromed Better. SP campains don't count.
If we go with the way your dividing these up then the German Swaiiut units are in general(varies) then the Gallic levy's. The Celtic units of the Milnaht and Mori Gaesum are still better then any of the German Swaiiut (levy) units. Historically it should be assumed that the basic German tribal unit should beat the levy units of the Celts.
As far as the 2nd elites the Germans(if I understand the way you have it lined up) Swardimannoz,Sahsnotoz,Gaizaharjoz and Wodanawulfoz. When you compare the stats with the Neitos,Kluddagaros,Cwmyr etc. you will find only the Wodanawulfoz are the only ones close to them. I'm not even including the likes of the Solduros,Deaisbard etc. If you consider the top elites the German Gastis,Merjoz and Hundaskpiz do not even compare with the Celt elites.
So from my understanding of the way you have things lined up the German levy type troops are a little better but the Celts are easily better from above them.
From here I would say there is little point in proceeding, you are fine with the way things are and continue to use the cost of units in the debate. I disagree and say the Celtic units(mostly elite) are overpowered, address the stats then assign appropriate costs to them.