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    When were they introduced?
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    Default Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    When Romans get their Polybian reform , they will show up in your barracks.Don't remember which MIC lvl though 3 or 4, since i can recruit them in Athens(lvl II gov).
    Thats for Maks.

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    Smile Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    No, they're tied to the vanilla marian's aren't they? And anyway, I was asking about they're historical introduction date, note the ingame date.
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    Default Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    Dude, you already asked this and I already answered.

    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=86192

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    Smile Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    I'd forgotten all about that, only rememebered the kataphractoi. So I thought I'd ask again:
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    Default Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    Quote Originally Posted by Pharnakes
    No, they're tied to the vanilla marian's aren't they? And anyway, I was asking about they're historical introduction date, note the ingame date.

    hmmm, maybe they are. Either way i got them around 210 in my campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlp071
    hmmm, maybe they are. Either way i got them around 210 in my campaign.
    Really? I got them around 240. Sadly, their stats don't represent the better armour they have compared to their predecessors. And Argyraspidai either. But their are tough though.

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    Smile Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    Thats a bug that changes in the next version, iirc, or change it yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharnakes
    Thats a bug that changes in the next version, iirc, or change it yourself.
    What file do I have to open, what lines to change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus
    Really? I got them around 240. Sadly, their stats don't represent the better armour they have compared to their predecessors. And Argyraspidai either. But their are tough though.

    Yeah, for some reason they didn't show up before that.So i assumed that they are tied to Polybian reform somehow(didn't bother to browse thru script files).

    I had one more Maks campaign before that till around 230BC (ended up with permanent CTD), and they didn't showed up in there either.

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    Smile Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    Is there a lot of termoil in Italia in your campaigns, cause if there is that could be what's preventing a city from reaching huge and triggring the Marian reforms.
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    Smile Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    shearch for Hysteroi pezhetairoi in the edu, which is found in root folder/eb/data. You will find this:

    Code:
     
    ;337
    type             hellenistic infantry hysteroi pezhetairoi
    dictionary       hellenistic_infantry_hysteroi_pezhetairoi      ; Hysteroi Pezhetairoi
    category         infantry
    class            spearmen
    voice_type       General_1
    soldier          hellenistic_infantry_kleruchoiagema_eliteafricanpikeman_chaeonianagema_argyraspidai_hysteroi_chalkaspidai, 60, 0, 1.35
    officer          officer_hellenic_officer
    officer          officer_hellenic_standardbearer
    mount_effect     horse +2, camel +2, elephant -1
    attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, mercenary_unit
    formation        1.1, 1, 2.2, 2, 6, square, phalanx
    stat_health      1, 0
    stat_pri         15, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.17
    stat_pri_attr    spear, long_pike
    stat_sec         10, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 0 ,0.13
    stat_sec_attr    no
    stat_pri_armour  10, 6, 5, metal
    stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat        4
    stat_ground      0, 0, -4, -2
    stat_mental      11, disciplined, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay  0
    stat_food        60, 300
    stat_cost        1, 2248, 520, 269, 691, 2248
    ownership        macedon
    The red 10, represents the current armour value, change it to whatever you want, I would recommend 13 or 14.
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    Thanks.

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    Default Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    The Epikletoi Hoplitai and Basilikon Agema get an armour value of 12 out of the basically same helmet-mail-and-greaves getup, if you want a yardstick.
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    Smile Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    The basalikon have 14, don't they, (or was that a diferent build)?
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    Default Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    My EDU says 12 - and I'm positive I'm looking at the vanilla 081aV2 backup.

    The Chae... Chao... Chaeo... Epirus elite dudes have 14 though. Can't quite tell what exact kind of body armour they're wearing from the UI pic.
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    Smile Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    I've always wondered about that as well, it looks to me as if they wear a linothorax covered in large, rectangular iron plates, so they're almost like cataphracts.
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    Default Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    Sounds like some heavy-duty scale derivative, that. The Illyrioi Thorakitai are mentioned to be wearing lamellar so I wondered if the Chaeonians did too, but I guess not.
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    Yeah, what impreses me is the shear size of the plates, i would say 6" by 4" at least, whilst most scale was more like 1" or 2" squared, was it not?
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    Default Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    Something that is sort of like this here armor...



    ...seems like lamellar over a standard linothorax.



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    Default Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    Quote Originally Posted by Watchman
    The Epikletoi Hoplitai and Basilikon Agema get an armour value of 12 out of the basically same helmet-mail-and-greaves getup, if you want a yardstick.
    Yeah, it should be 12. When we fix the stats that will be what it is.
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    Smile Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    So the armour the chawhatists wore was made of large plates, that are in turn made of lots of smaller plates?

    How were the large plates manufacture, ie. how were the small plates attached to each other?
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    Default Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    If it's lamellar, by lacing. Wiki covers the basics passably. Quick googling also turned up this interesting site, which by and large seems to have a decent idea of what it's talking about. Its focus is really on a rather different timespan and region, but as the basic design of lamellar didn't really change over millenia (not counting modifications like the Byzantine klibanion) that's not really an issue.
    Last edited by Watchman; 06-06-2007 at 12:15.
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    Default AW: Re: Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

    Quote Originally Posted by QwertyMIDX
    Yeah, it should be 12. When we fix the stats that will be what it is.
    Yeah, I had the same idea for both Hysteroi and Argyraspidai. Also, I changed the default formation depth to 8, so I don't have to do it manually before each battle (I think they perform better in a deeper formation).
    Last edited by Centurio Nixalsverdrus; 06-06-2007 at 22:13.

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