Hysteroi Pezhetairoi

[Pharnakes]

When were they introduced?

[mlp071]

When Romans get their Polybian reform , they will show up in your barracks.Don't remember which MIC lvl though 3 or 4, since i can recruit them in Athens(lvl II gov).
Thats for Maks.

[Pharnakes]

No, they're tied to the vanilla marian's aren't they? And anyway, I was asking about they're historical introduction date, note the ingame date.

[abou]

Dude, you already asked this and I already answered.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=86192

[Pharnakes]

I'd forgotten all about that, only rememebered the kataphractoi. So I thought I'd ask again:

[mlp071]

No, they're tied to the vanilla marian's aren't they? And anyway, I was asking about they're historical introduction date, note the ingame date.

hmmm, maybe they are. Either way i got them around 210 in my campaign.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

hmmm, maybe they are. Either way i got them around 210 in my campaign.

Really? I got them around 240. Sadly, their stats don't represent the better armour they have compared to their predecessors. And Argyraspidai either. But their are tough though.

[Pharnakes]

Thats a bug that changes in the next version, iirc, or change it yourself.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Thats a bug that changes in the next version, iirc, or change it yourself.

What file do I have to open, what lines to change?

[mlp071]

Really? I got them around 240. Sadly, their stats don't represent the better armour they have compared to their predecessors. And Argyraspidai either. But their are tough though.

Yeah, for some reason they didn't show up before that.So i assumed that they are tied to Polybian reform somehow(didn't bother to browse thru script files).

I had one more Maks campaign before that till around 230BC (ended up with permanent CTD), and they didn't showed up in there either.

[Pharnakes]

Is there a lot of termoil in Italia in your campaigns, cause if there is that could be what's preventing a city from reaching huge and triggring the Marian reforms.

[Pharnakes]

shearch for Hysteroi pezhetairoi in the edu, which is found in root folder/eb/data. You will find this:

 
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type             hellenistic infantry hysteroi pezhetairoi
dictionary       hellenistic_infantry_hysteroi_pezhetairoi      ; Hysteroi Pezhetairoi
category         infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_kleruchoiagema_eliteafricanpikeman_chaeonianagema_argyraspidai_hysteroi_chalkaspidai, 60, 0, 1.35
officer          officer_hellenic_officer
officer          officer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect     horse +2, camel +2, elephant -1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, mercenary_unit
formation        1.1, 1, 2.2, 2, 6, square, phalanx
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         15, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.17
stat_pri_attr    spear, long_pike
stat_sec         10, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  10, 6, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      0, 0, -4, -2
stat_mental      11, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 2248, 520, 269, 691, 2248
ownership        macedon

The red 10, represents the current armour value, change it to whatever you want, I would recommend 13 or 14.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Thanks.

[Watchman]

The Epikletoi Hoplitai and Basilikon Agema get an armour value of 12 out of the basically same helmet-mail-and-greaves getup, if you want a yardstick.

[Pharnakes]

The basalikon have 14, don't they, (or was that a diferent build)?

[Watchman]

My EDU says 12 - and I'm positive I'm looking at the vanilla 081aV2 backup.

The Chae... Chao... Chaeo... Epirus elite dudes have 14 though. Can't quite tell what exact kind of body armour they're wearing from the UI pic.

[Pharnakes]

I've always wondered about that as well, it looks to me as if they wear a linothorax covered in large, rectangular iron plates, so they're almost like cataphracts.

[Watchman]

Sounds like some heavy-duty scale derivative, that. The Illyrioi Thorakitai are mentioned to be wearing lamellar so I wondered if the Chaeonians did too, but I guess not.

[Pharnakes]

Yeah, what impreses me is the shear size of the plates, i would say 6" by 4" at least, whilst most scale was more like 1" or 2" squared, was it not?

[Sarcasm]

Something that is sort of like this here armor...



...seems like lamellar over a standard linothorax.

[QwertyMIDX]

The Epikletoi Hoplitai and Basilikon Agema get an armour value of 12 out of the basically same helmet-mail-and-greaves getup, if you want a yardstick.

Yeah, it should be 12. When we fix the stats that will be what it is.

[Pharnakes]

So the armour the chawhatists wore was made of large plates, that are in turn made of lots of smaller plates?

How were the large plates manufacture, ie. how were the small plates attached to each other?

[Watchman]

If it's lamellar, by lacing. Wiki covers the basics passably. Quick googling also turned up this interesting site, which by and large seems to have a decent idea of what it's talking about. Its focus is really on a rather different timespan and region, but as the basic design of lamellar didn't really change over millenia (not counting modifications like the Byzantine klibanion) that's not really an issue.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Yeah, it should be 12. When we fix the stats that will be what it is.

Yeah, I had the same idea for both Hysteroi and Argyraspidai. Also, I changed the default formation depth to 8, so I don't have to do it manually before each battle (I think they perform better in a deeper formation).