If you can find someone willing to battle you with a HA army then thats great, but good luck to you.![]()
If you can find someone willing to battle you with a HA army then thats great, but good luck to you.![]()
The step people had tons of horses but that doesn't mean they were cheap. Take horses (war horses mind you) in Greece or Rome. they were a luxury only affordable by rich people..
It depended on the culture I guess. And as far as HA are concerned, as I said, thdey're a real advantage against unarmored civs but, against civs like the Diadochi or Romans, they're usefullness is only marginal provided you don't let them outflank you. Even so, they won't be so usefull. In RTR they were way overpowered (I remember testing sarmatia out and being able to trash armies 3X the size of mine because of the attack value of arrows being 6 or something. that with the fact that every single unit were archers and the foot nobles doubled as elite spearmen... that was an easy camapign...
In EB with the reduced attack and the heavy armor of some units (from 10 armor (without counting shields or DS just armor) upwards things get tricky to HA from the front. And with 12 armor even the flanks get tricky...
Not to mention dosidataskelli or thorakitai agriaspidai as those guys are invulnerable to arrows. Only slings from the flanks seem to have marginal success against those beasts...
Cheers...
Last edited by mAIOR; 06-14-2007 at 22:24.
Yeah, I do remember playng fondor, when he had half a dozen HAs, He took out my slingers and archers, i the end I just sent out a unit of thorakitai argyraspiadai to sit in the middle of the field, and only one of them died from protracted arrow fire.
Last edited by Pharnakes; 06-15-2007 at 12:43.
Asia ton Barbaron The new eastern mod for eb!
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Roma Victor!
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Actually, it does mean they were cheap. If your basic, dirt poor peasant steppe guy can get a horse. A horse was costly for normal folks because, a number of things, somethings they need to import the horse and gear, ship in/buy proper food, hire someone to train and horse and the guy to ride, and such. A steppe pony *which is what your normal HA ride*, would have those problems. A real warhorse *like a Nisean* yea would cost a pretty penny, and thats why only the heavy nobles and cataphracts have them*which are in turn pretty expensive.*
Heh yea. Dam artillery, there was those like last 4 guys who keep going go back to man them. Luckily that last unit of HA unrouted, I was able to get the last ones and some slingers/archers with him.
I shouldn't have to live in a world where all the good points are horrible ones.
Is he hurt? Everybody asks that. Nobody ever says, 'What a mess! I hope the doctor is not emotionally harmed by having to deal with it.'
For the sake of the tournament, the only rule concerning HA's should be eastern versus western factions. From my experiences, infantry-based armies such as Casee and Sweboz get messed up by HA arrows before the actual engagement begins. And in every game I have played against steppe factions, the players used fast Ha to run away and launch other volleys, resulting in half my army being mowed down before I can inflict a single casualty. So, for the sake of fairness, and somewhat realism, steppe factions should be limted to steppe/Hellenistic factions. If people want a steppe battle it would be best if it were arranged as such.
Peace
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